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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by pamak View Post

    If you had actually read the whole article instead of reading the title and the parts that you like, you would not have posted it


    from your link

    The Koch brothers and Soros spend lavishly in politics. They support individual candidates, contribute to political party campaign funds, lobby politicians, bankroll political action committees, and have established foundations and think tanks to influence politics.

    The Kochs spend by far the most, but the bulk of it goes to lobbying. The Open Society Institute is one of George Soros’ organizations, and they provide part of the funding of OpenSecrets.org; so even realizing that their data may be skewed toward a more pejorative coverage of the Kochs, I’m going to rely on their data. According to Open Secrets, the Koch brothers have spent (or as liberals typically describe it, “invested”) over $50 million in lobbying from 1998-2010. During that same time, Soros and his primary Lobbying organization, the Open Society Policy Center, spent about $13 million.



    Donations to federal candidates, parties, and political action committees give a smaller advantage to the Kochs. They invested $2.58 million vs. Soros’ $1.74 million from 1989 to 2010. When extended to include the past four years, the Koch brothers have contributed $18 million in political donations.

    As for the unions, comparing the donations of different unions of hundreds of thousand of workers to a single rich individual is just nonsense.
    Maybe you need to take 5th grade math again, or is it all the zeros that has you confused? Where does any of that equal "100x" what Soros spends...? Hum, hum?

    As for unions, a large percentage of their members disagree with the leadership's politics.

    https://www.laprogressive.com/union-...te-republican/

    http://fortune.com/2018/01/17/employ...ocratic-party/

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/30/b...mp-unions.html

    Take away "closed shop" states and their forced union membership, and you get a precipitous drop in membership, because many forced into unions disagree with their politics, or disagree with their interactions with management.

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...htmlstory.html

    Unions aren't representing their members very well. That's why they're in decline across the US.





    Last edited by T. A. Gardner; 25 Oct 18, 20:49.

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  • pamak
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

    Not actually. The group that does spend about 100 x plus is unions, almost all of that going to the Left.

    https://www.westernjournal.com/koch-...ge-soros-fear/

    On the other hand, the Koch's most spend on lobbying and have to report their spending carefully and fully. Soros gives most of his money to 527's and doesn't have to reveal much if anything about how he's backing them.
    If you had actually read the whole article instead of reading the title and the parts that you like, you would not have posted it


    from your link

    The Koch brothers and Soros spend lavishly in politics. They support individual candidates, contribute to political party campaign funds, lobby politicians, bankroll political action committees, and have established foundations and think tanks to influence politics.

    The Kochs spend by far the most, but the bulk of it goes to lobbying. The Open Society Institute is one of George Soros’ organizations, and they provide part of the funding of OpenSecrets.org; so even realizing that their data may be skewed toward a more pejorative coverage of the Kochs, I’m going to rely on their data. According to Open Secrets, the Koch brothers have spent (or as liberals typically describe it, “invested”) over $50 million in lobbying from 1998-2010. During that same time, Soros and his primary Lobbying organization, the Open Society Policy Center, spent about $13 million.



    Donations to federal candidates, parties, and political action committees give a smaller advantage to the Kochs. They invested $2.58 million vs. Soros’ $1.74 million from 1989 to 2010. When extended to include the past four years, the Koch brothers have contributed $18 million in political donations.

    As for the unions, comparing the donations of different unions of hundreds of thousand of workers to a single rich individual is just nonsense.
    Last edited by pamak; 25 Oct 18, 20:35.

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by inevtiab1e View Post
    Nope. Soros wasn't born with a silver spoon like Donald or the Koch's. The Koch's control the republican party and they spend 100x more than George Soros.
    Not actually. The group that does spend about 100 x plus is unions, almost all of that going to the Left.

    https://www.westernjournal.com/koch-...ge-soros-fear/

    On the other hand, the Koch's most spend on lobbying and have to report their spending carefully and fully. Soros gives most of his money to 527's and doesn't have to reveal much if anything about how he's backing them.

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  • pamak
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    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

    I'd like to see some documentation and proof of this Loonie-Left delusion.

    The TEA Party in my county was grassroots, consisted of local members and citizens and funded out of our own pockets, none of which were deep.

    The few public demonstrations we did have were bonded and insured, did not have us engaging in actions common to the regressive Left and "antifa" types; we did not block traffic, assault counter-protesters, riot in the streets, loot and pillage local stores and businesses, or any other uncivil actions.
    I actually gave some links but you did not read them apparently

    Anyway, I will be more analytical

    Meet
    UIHLEIN, RICHARD, one of the mega-donors in the conservative field

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Uihlein

    Richard Ellis Uihlein (born 1945) is an American businessman, founder of Uline, conservative donor, and heir.


    Let' see just one PAC related to Tea Party activists

    https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/loo...trID=C00540898


    Official PAC Name:
    TEA PARTY PATRIOTS CITIZENS FUND
    Location: WOODSTOCK, GA 30189
    Industry:
    Republican/Conservative
    Treasurer: KILGORE, PAUL
    FEC Committee ID: C00540898
    (Look up
    actual documents filed at the FEC)

    2018 PAC Contribution Data
    Contributions from this PAC to federal candidates (list recipients) $0
    Contributions to this PAC from individual donors of $200 or more ( list donors) $2,722,455
    Let's see now the list of donors and how much they contribute. Sure, there are common folks who donate $200 or more for the "cause" but when you see the list of the donors, you can easily see that the vast majority of financial support comes from Richard Uihlein

    From

    https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pac...898&cycle=2018

    Individual donors gave 378 large ($200+) contributions to this PAC in 2017-2018.
    UIHLEIN, RICHARD E
    LAKE FORST, IL 60045
    ULINE 09/21/17 $1,000,000
    UIHLEIN, RICHARD E
    LAKE FORST, IL 60045
    ULINE 01/12/18 $500,000
    UIHLEIN, RICHARD E
    LAKE FORST, IL 60045
    ULINE 04/17/18 $250,000
    UIHLEIN, RICHARD E
    LAKE FORST, IL 60045
    ULINE 07/02/18 $200,000
    So, without complicated calculations one can see that for the 2018 period our of the $2,722,455 that were received, $2,000,000 came from Richard Uihlen...

    p.s. the total receipts from the first link are
    Total Receipts $3,796,843
    This counts contributions which are quite small and are not itemized in the report.
    Still, even if we count total receipts, it is obvious that the contribution of this wealthy donor as a percentage is huge

    Notice that the site has the links for you to see the actual filing reports....

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  • G David Bock
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    Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

    He also funded some of Trump's businesses. But, conservatives like to gloss over that.
    Please document.

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  • G David Bock
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    Originally posted by Massena View Post

    Don't choke. The number of indictments on Russians so far by Mueller is over twenty. And the meetings with Russians by members of the Trump campaign (Flynn, Manafort, and Junior) is both common knowledge and well-known. Only the lemmings who support Trump continue to deny it.

    Your continued hyperbole on this subject merely identifies you as a 'Trump no matter what he does' supporter which is both ignorant and mindless.
    And a different flavor of the "ignorant and mindless" we see from the Left;

    America'’s Cold Civil War
    https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/americas-cold-civil-war/
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Here's everyone who has been charged and convicted in Mueller's Russia probe so far
    ...
    Since taking over the investigation last May, Mueller's team has charged four Americans once affiliated with Trump's campaign or administration, 13 Russian nationals, 12 Russian intelligence officers, three Russian companies, and two other people.

    Here's everyone who's been charged in the Mueller probe so far:
    ...
    https://www.businessinsider.com/who-...-trump-2017-12

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  • TactiKill J.
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    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

    LIST OF ORGANIZATIONS FUNDED BY GEORGE SOROS
    ...
    The upper portion of this page is devoted to organizations that are funded directly by George Soros and his Open Society Institute (OSI). The lower portion of the page focuses on organizations which do not receive direct funding from Soros and OSI, but which receive money from one or more groups that do get direct OSI funding.

    Organizations Funded Directly by George Soros and his Open Society Institute
    Organizations that, in recent years, have received direct funding and assistance from George Soros and his Open Society Institute (OSI) include the following. (Comprehensive profiles of each are available in the “Groups” section ofDiscoverTheNetworks.org):
    ...
    http://www.investmentwatchblog.com/l...-george-soros/
    http://www.distract101.com/list-of-o...eorge-soros33/
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    READ THIS MIND BOGGLING LIST OF SOROS FUNDED ORGANIZATIONS

    http://www.ruthfullyyours.com/2010/1...organizations/
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Organizations Funded Directly by George Soros and his Open ...

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    List of Organizations Funded by “Spooky Dude” George Soros

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Organizations Funded By George Soros’ Open Society Institute

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Over 30 Major News Organizations Linked to George Soros ...

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


    He also funded some of Trump's businesses. But, conservatives like to gloss over that.

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  • G David Bock
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    Originally posted by pamak View Post
    Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
    If Soros was funding the tea party all of a sudden he would be the evil wizard behind the curtain that is destroying America in the minds of liberals.

    Don't forget there was an actual conspiracy within the intelligence community (insurance policy) to stop the Orange Hitler.

    Hypocrites


    I do not hear liberals being so obsessed with the rich guys on the right who DID fund the tea party (that was when hypocrites on your side were complaining about the deficits).
    And it is sad that you see as conspiracy the attempt by the intelligence community to defend the US from Russian collaborators.
    I'd like to see some documentation and proof of this Loonie-Left delusion.

    The TEA Party in my county was grassroots, consisted of local members and citizens and funded out of our own pockets, none of which were deep.

    The few public demonstrations we did have were bonded and insured, did not have us engaging in actions common to the regressive Left and "antifa" types; we did not block traffic, assault counter-protesters, riot in the streets, loot and pillage local stores and businesses, or any other uncivil actions.

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  • G David Bock
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Soros = Koch brothers = Tom Steyer These are all billionaires that meddle in politics. The Progressives whine about the Koch's. The Conservatives whine about Soros. A pox on them all.
    Part of the reason for making a fortune would be to fund causes and issues you support.
    I'd rather see such via private persons and citizens than out of Guv'mint coffers and checkbook.

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  • G David Bock
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    Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
    Soros, the bogeyman under the bed of the Cons
    LIST OF ORGANIZATIONS FUNDED BY GEORGE SOROS
    ...
    The upper portion of this page is devoted to organizations that are funded directly by George Soros and his Open Society Institute (OSI). The lower portion of the page focuses on organizations which do not receive direct funding from Soros and OSI, but which receive money from one or more groups that do get direct OSI funding.

    Organizations Funded Directly by George Soros and his Open Society Institute
    Organizations that, in recent years, have received direct funding and assistance from George Soros and his Open Society Institute (OSI) include the following. (Comprehensive profiles of each are available in the “Groups” section ofDiscoverTheNetworks.org):
    ...
    http://www.investmentwatchblog.com/l...-george-soros/
    http://www.distract101.com/list-of-o...eorge-soros33/
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    READ THIS MIND BOGGLING LIST OF SOROS FUNDED ORGANIZATIONS

    http://www.ruthfullyyours.com/2010/1...organizations/
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Organizations Funded Directly by George Soros and his Open ...

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    List of Organizations Funded by “Spooky Dude” George Soros

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Organizations Funded By George Soros’ Open Society Institute

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Over 30 Major News Organizations Linked to George Soros ...

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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  • G David Bock
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    Originally posted by Massena View Post
    For all of you who claim that Soros funds various nefarious 'projects' and other conspiracy theories, perhaps you should read this:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factc...cid=spartandhp
    Once again your "MSN", a.k.a. MSM article link engages more misinformation and deception, via the following quote of ending paragraphs;
    ...
    Daniel Wessel, a spokesman for the Democratic National Committee, pointed to legislation proposed in the Senate that tries to “address the root causes of the Central American migrant crisis” by expanding refugee processing in other countries and targeting drug cartels.

    “Trump has turned to fear mongering and conspiracy theories in order to push his anti-immigrant agenda,” Mr. Wessel said.
    ...
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factc...cid=spartandhp

    For you and the other clueless here, neither Trump nor Conservatives ("Right Wing") are "anti-immigrant". We are anti "ILLEGAL" immigrant.

    Totally for and supportive of those whom go through correct and legal process that is in place.

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  • ljadw
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    Originally posted by inevtiab1e View Post
    Nope. Soros wasn't born with a silver spoon like Donald or the Koch's. The Koch's control the republican party and they spend 100x more than George Soros.
    The difference is that the Koch Brothers do not control Trump, while Soros controlled Hillary : without Soros, Hillary would be what she is in reality : a malicious nothing .
    The evening of the presidential election the son of Soros dined with Hillary, while the Kochs refused to support Trump .
    And where is your proof that the Kochs spent 100 x more than Soros ?
    Where is your proof that the Kochs control the GOP ?
    The Kochs belong to the establishment, the never Trumpers, who promote uncontrolled immigration, as do people as Bezos, Zuckerberg, Murdoch,Soros,McCain, Romney,..but they do not control the GOP otherwise Trump would not have become the GOP candidate .

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  • inevtiab1e
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    Originally posted by ljadw View Post

    The Journalist of the NYT lies : she worked for Politifact that is now a part of The Poynter Institute which is funded by Soros .
    All that you have produced is propaganda from Soros .
    Nope. Soros wasn't born with a silver spoon like Donald or the Koch's. The Koch's control the republican party and they spend 100x more than George Soros.

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  • Half Pint John
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    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

    Using your "reasoning," Ozzy Osbourn caused teenagers to lock themselves in garages with cars running via his Suicide Solution.
    Your reasoning sounds like something from your old signature. The price of beaver, the price of booze etc. remember? Looks like you need to spend more money and not indulge so much. Stick to beer or Mad Dog.

    Your lack of reasoning would compare Trump and Osbourn. Trump as POSOTUS has much more influence.

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  • Johan Banér
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    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

    Isn't the onus on the prospective follower not to be so dim? After all, I'm not the cause of his dimness.
    Depends. Everyone is interpreting Donald Trump, becuase Donald Trump a lot of the time is in dire NEED of interpretation to even make sense.

    So it rather depends on who makes the correct interpretation. What that is. Something for which there is no facit.

    It is within the realm of the possible, given how people work, to interpret the killing of political opponents is a matter of freedom of expression.

    Donald Trump is president. But somehow it is incumbent of pretty much everyone else in the whole world to show more judgement, discretion, good faith and restraint than Donald Trump? As if that would happen...

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