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  • #46
    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

    I'm still waiting for the surprise.
    So is Daniels. And no, I don't know the sleazy habits of the rich, but obviously you do.
    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

      So is Daniels. And no, I don't know the sleazy habits of the rich, but obviously you do.
      They don't hide it well. Seen enough Mercs stop to pick up crack who*res to know that that trade was supported substantively not by residents of the ghetto, but by those far more affluent. Oh, plenty of factory workers and teachers and cops patronized them too, but the real money came from the kinds of places where the likes of Donald Trump live, not the tenants in his father's developments: if the make and model didn't give them away, the three digit prefix on their plates did.

      Hey Sal: are you suggesting that Trump lied all those times who spoke of pursuing and . . . . engaging with beautiful women that he met at clubs?

      By the way, Limelight was top end, along with Tunnel: the crown jewels in NYC's night scene back in the '80s, same as Studio 54 was in the '70s. For a dive, think CBGBs, where Madonna used to meet the Ramones.
      I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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      • #48
        Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

        I take it that you never patronized the men's room at the Limelight.
        Well, I will trust your expertise on the subject. Clearly you have plumbed the depths of aberrant behavior further than any sane person would, but that still offers no insights about Trump.

        The fact is he threw a paltry sum at Stormy in the past. Why? Who knows?

        I can't explain that any more than I can explain your habit of debased activities performed in public restrooms.

        Logic cannot be applied to either. We can only compare know facts while acknowledging that there are many more facts currently unknown.

        To Trump, money is a tool.
        Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post

          Well, I will trust your expertise on the subject. Clearly you have plumbed the depths of aberrant behavior further than any sane person would . . . .
          You make me laugh. Didn't you ever work vice? Didn't the identity of some of the johns impress you? What makes you think that guys like Rob Ford of Larry Craig or Jimmy Swaggert are novel -- apart from the fact that they were stupid enough to get caught? Didn't you ever peruse Craigslist, at least as part of your official duties? Any cop worth his shield knows where the wh*res are. If not, then we're looking at an incompetent cop.

          Night after night I saw the cars line up, and creatures dripping with disease got into those cars. The johns weren't just local factory workers. They were MDs, lawyers, Wall Streeters, Hasidic rabbis, public school teachers, cops -- you name it, the johns came from every race, every religion, every profession, every level of educational attainment, every category you can imagine. Big stars like Eddie Murphy and Hugh Grant patronized street walkers. Only two things can cause surprise: who doesn't patronize the oldest profession, and the fact that no one ever admits to paying for it, despite the fact that the profession is out there thriving (financially speaking) in plain sight.

          Given Trump's braggadocio, about his conquests, about his endowment, his history of clubbing and womanizing, I'd have a hard time believing that he didn't cruise Hunts Point or prowl for "Tunnel Bunnies." If he didn't, then he's been expending a great deal of energy cultivating a false public image for better than thirty years. That makes even less sense.
          I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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          • #50
            Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

            You make me laugh. Didn't you ever work vice? Didn't the identity of some of the johns impress you? What makes you think that guys like Rob Ford of Larry Craig or Jimmy Swaggert are novel -- apart from the fact that they were stupid enough to get caught? Didn't you ever peruse Craigslist, at least as part of your official duties? Any cop worth his shield knows where the wh*res are. If not, then we're looking at an incompetent cop.
            No, I never worked 'vice'. Street-level prostitution was largely replaced by semi-legal escort services before I entered policing.

            Its like muggings: that's a termite mound problem. In Texas, all but the biggest cities lack significant pedestrian traffic, so street-level crime of those sorts are extremely rare. IIRC, I never worked or seen worked a purse snatching in 35 years. I have worked a couple dozen or more guys getting shot trying to rob or burgle people. Chain businesses aren't too bad, but you take your life in your hands robbing citizens or privately owned businesses in Texas.

            Crime patterns are different in different places.
            Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
              No, I never worked 'vice'. Street-level prostitution was largely replaced by semi-legal escort services before I entered policing. . . . .
              What was that line in Lone Star: "Welcome to Frontera Texas, gateway to inexpensive pu$$y."

              "Semi-legal"? How does that work? To the best of my knowledge, prostitution is legal in only two counties in Nevada, and nowhere else in the US. Therefore, the brothels that advertise on Craigslist are advertising crime, online, literally for all the world to see. Why aren't they being rolled up daily?

              'Bout twenty-five years ago, a suburban teen shot her adult lover's wife in the face: the infamous "Long Island Lolita" case. Nassau Co PD detectives recorded the perp's interrogation, which included a caveat about her working out of a house. It doesn't take a Sherlock Holmes to figure that the house with all kinds of male traffic all hours of the day and night is in some kind of "business." If said house is not in the black section of town, then like as not the police will have on record multiple 911 calls on that location: excessive noise, traffic, etc. Even if the house in question contains but a single girl, it's still going to generate excessive traffic. So how does such an establishment stay off the cops' radar?
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              I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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              • #52
                Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

                "Semi-legal"? How does that work? To the best of my knowledge, prostitution is legal in only two counties in Nevada, and nowhere else in the US. Therefore, the brothels that advertise on Craigslist are advertising crime, online, literally for all the world to see. Why aren't they being rolled up daily?
                Prostitution is a misdemeanor, and a low one. We don't have the organized crime problem you guys have; basically, no pimps. No girls loitering on street corners, no complaints from citizens. No real reason to commit resources to a problem that draws no attention.

                Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
                'Bout twenty-five years ago, a suburban teen shot her adult lover's wife in the face: the infamous "Long Island Lolita" case. Nassau Co PD detectives recorded the perp's interrogation, which included a caveat about her working out of a house. It doesn't take a Sherlock Holmes to figure that the house with all kinds of male traffic all hours of the day and night is in some kind of "business." If said house is not in the black section of town, then like as not the police will have on record multiple 911 calls on that location: excessive noise, traffic, etc. Even if the house in question contains but a single girl, it's still going to generate excessive traffic. So how does such an establishment stay off the cops' radar?
                That's not how it works here. The girls go to the john, usually via cab.

                We don't worry about gamblers the way NYPD does, either. Actually, we don't worry about them at all, except for eight-liners (slots).

                Like I said, we don't have the ingrained organized crime and epidemic corruption you guys have. There's no organization skimming off the top to any great degree. No wide-spread gambling, either, other than sports betting and poker. No numbers racket at all, and legal casinos within six hours' drive. They run buses every week.

                I've had this same discussion with NYPD officers. The difference in population density and higher mobility really makes a huge difference.

                Every once in a while some joker will start trying to get things organized, and that always ended badly. What we hunt is organized crime, five or more actors in the same criminal enterprise (can be as low as three under certain circumstances). That, and gangs, particularly prison gangs.
                Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post

                  Prostitution is a misdemeanor, and a low one. We don't have the organized crime problem you guys have; basically, no pimps. No girls loitering on street corners, no complaints from citizens. No real reason to commit resources to a problem that draws no attention.



                  That's not how it works here. The girls go to the john, usually via cab.

                  We don't worry about gamblers the way NYPD does, either. Actually, we don't worry about them at all, except for eight-liners (slots).

                  Like I said, we don't have the ingrained organized crime and epidemic corruption you guys have. There's no organization skimming off the top to any great degree. No wide-spread gambling, either, other than sports betting and poker. No numbers racket at all, and legal casinos within six hours' drive. They run buses every week.

                  I've had this same discussion with NYPD officers. The difference in population density and higher mobility really makes a huge difference.

                  Every once in a while some joker will start trying to get things organized, and that always ended badly. What we hunt is organized crime, five or more actors in the same criminal enterprise (can be as low as three under certain circumstances). That, and gangs, particularly prison gangs.
                  So you're a kind of resort-spa for criminals. As long as you stay below five members, you can get away with anything.
                  Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                  • #54
                    Phew! I was afraid you were going to claim that there are no hookers in Texas.

                    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                    Prostitution is a misdemeanor, and a low one.
                    C, D Class? For the girls, a collar is no more than the cost of doing business, plus a night lost in the tank. Not much of a deterrent. You're in the buckle of the Bible Belt. I'd have thought that your police would be compelled by the sheriffs' and DAs' voters to come down like hellfire and brimstone on wh*res.

                    Every now and then, the trade makes the papers, usually 'cause some john beats a wh*re to death or something like that. Out in the 'burbs hookers' bodies were sprouting like weeds. Cops think it's a serial killer, being as the bodies were found in a really deserted stretch, but no suspects named as far as I know. The other aspect sure to make the news is human trafficking. Then the Feds get involved. Causes lots of "blue" nights for johns.

                    Never ceases to amaze me how wives can turn a blind eye to their husbands' wh*ring. Whether it's deliberate or they're just that stupid I can't say, but I'm nevertheless amazed.

                    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                    We don't have the organized crime problem you guys have; basically, no pimps.
                    Not for nothing, but you're almost making it sound as if the trade is tolerated just so long as the girls pay the cops directly, rather than through a pimp. Otherwise I've got to ask: to whom do the girls turn for protection? That they need protection is a given, and that they can't call the police if they're not paying the police is also a given. Therefore they need protection, and if that muscle isn't wearing a shield, he's a pimp.

                    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                    No girls loitering on street corners, no complaints from citizens. No real reason to commit resources to a problem that draws no attention.
                    Until it does, and then there's public morals sweeps lasting two or four weeks, with perp walks and other good coverage. Then, after the hubbub dies down, it's back to business as usual.

                    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                    That's not how it works here. The girls go to the john, usually via cab.
                    Yeah, they got that here, too. Sometimes the driver's not Uber, but a pimp who awaits his girls' calls.

                    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                    We don't worry about gamblers the way NYPD does, either. Actually, we don't worry about them at all, except for eight-liners (slots).

                    Like I said, we don't have the ingrained organized crime and epidemic corruption you guys have. There's no organization skimming off the top to any great degree. No wide-spread gambling, either, other than sports betting and poker. No numbers racket at all, and legal casinos within six hours' drive. They run buses every week.
                    Can't imagine that gambling's been a problem here for years. There's been a casino within the City's limits for a while now. You've got the state lottery's games, and on-line betting, and now New Jersey has just legalized sports betting. I can't imagine who "runs numbers" anymore.

                    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                    I've had this same discussion with NYPD officers. The difference in population density and higher mobility really makes a huge difference.

                    Every once in a while some joker will start trying to get things organized, and that always ended badly. What we hunt is organized crime, five or more actors in the same criminal enterprise (can be as low as three under certain circumstances). That, and gangs, particularly prison gangs.
                    Where do your drugs come from? Can't see much stuff getting moved anywhere without a gang's involvement.
                    I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
                      Phew! I was afraid you were going to claim that there are no hookers in Texas.
                      No chance of that.

                      Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
                      C, D Class? For the girls, a collar is no more than the cost of doing business, plus a night lost in the tank. Not much of a deterrent. You're in the buckle of the Bible Belt. I'd have thought that your police would be compelled by the sheriffs' and DAs' voters to come down like hellfire and brimstone on wh*res.
                      Class B, mainly fine only although technically you can get 180 days in jail.

                      So long as it isn't part of organized crime, and out of sight, few agencies get involved. Every now and then biker gangs try to organize things, and that gets hard attention fast, but otherwise it's not a big deal.

                      Human Trafficking is a big deal, being organized, but for some reason outside the very major cities its just labor, not sex trade. That's subject to change, of course.

                      Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
                      Not for nothing, but you're almost making it sound as if the trade is tolerated just so long as the girls pay the cops directly, rather than through a pimp. Otherwise I've got to ask: to whom do the girls turn for protection? That they need protection is a given, and that they can't call the police if they're not paying the police is also a given. Therefore they need protection, and if that muscle isn't wearing a shield, he's a pimp.
                      You don't have the streetwalker stigma here that you see in New York. In the old days, if a john doesn't pay, the girl calls 911 and says she was raped. Now its all done with credit cards up front. A phone-swipe and everyone is happy. Yelp reviews and everything.


                      Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
                      Yeah, they got that here, too. Sometimes the driver's not Uber, but a pimp who awaits his girls' calls.
                      Around here they often rent a limo and conduct business out of that, but the driver's just a driver.

                      Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
                      Where do your drugs come from? Can't see much stuff getting moved anywhere without a gang's involvement.
                      Now drugs are another matter entirely. But still, we have nothing like your socially acceptable mob types.

                      The vast majority of our drugs are cartel, coming out of Mexico, but they are pure wholesale, letting local organizations handle distribution. We regularly tear up local organizations, but they just pop back up.

                      But they're pure narco and guns.

                      Very little in the protection or service supply end of things. Some loansharking, but mainly independent operators. Outside of the cartel, whose management stays south of the border, we have biker and prison gangs and local narco networks, but no real organized crime with any roots or substance.

                      Houston has more issues because like NY it's a major seaport, but Texas a a whole is too spread out for the sort of OC development as the East Coast has seen.

                      That's not to say we don't have our problems, its just that our problems are different from New York's.
                      Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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