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  • #16
    Are Americans aware that a half of European politicians are socialists? Looks like they are not.

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    • #17
      At the very least it is clear that some Federal employees need to be fired. Waste and corruption is not being rooted out. The Mueller investigation is further proof that our government has no leadership and that mission creep is systemic. Even the "good" hard working employees lack any kind of restriction on personal agendas not to mention how much time is wasted by all the Page's and Strzok's.

      If you don't find the people in the videos disturbing you are an ideologue and have a warped sense of morality.

      We hunt the hunters

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Artyom_A View Post
        Are Americans aware that a half of European politicians are socialists? Looks like they are not.
        Why would we care
        We hunt the hunters

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        • #19
          WOW. Deep State ! Holy Crappola ! They're REAL. They're EVERYWHERE. And they are guilty of EVERYTHING.
          "For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return"

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          • #20
            Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
            At the very least it is clear that some Federal employees need to be fired. Waste and corruption is not being rooted out. The Mueller investigation is further proof that our government has no leadership and that mission creep is systemic. Even the "good" hard working employees lack any kind of restriction on personal agendas not to mention how much time is wasted by all the Page's and Strzok's.

            If you don't find the people in the videos disturbing you are an ideologue and have a warped sense of morality.
            Some people in all agencies need to be fired! This also includes a big part of Trump's administration which apparently includes some of the biggest leakers (chosen by Trump himself)! The Mueller investigation has much more leadership than the one we see within the Trump administration, and it helps clean the cesspool of corrupt politicians who wanted to exploit the executive branch for money laundering of the Russian mafia's profits.

            p.s. Every time an article uses an "anonymous source" for its information, it is because the person who offers such information is not authorized to release it. I do not need to secretly record people to learn that conservative and liberal journalists use such leakers for their articles. The BS comes when someone tries to present this as a characteristic of just liberal employees and journalists...

            Two quick examples:

            http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08...trol-boat.html

            “North Korea is not showing any evidence it plans to halt its missile tests,” said one official who requested anonymity to discuss sensitive information. “It's a trend that does not bode well for hopes of de-escalating tensions on the [Korean] peninsula.”

            http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...-location.html

            The initial threads of intelligence began surfacing in 2003 and came in the form of information about a trusted bin Laden courier, a senior U.S. official told Fox News on condition of anonymity.
            Last edited by pamak; 22 Sep 18, 16:48.
            My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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            • #21
              Originally posted by pamak View Post
              You brought CLAIMS from Rasmussen and Breitbart who have issues with what CNN presents.

              I talked about catching Project Veritas red handed while its FOUNDER was trying to manufacture false evidence to support a smear campaign against WaPo in order to support Roy Moore.

              Interpreting evidence in a way that some people think (rightfully or not ) that it smears a political opponent happens all the time, and it includes Breibart and the other right wing sites you use for your information. Manufacturing evidence in order to "interpreter" them in a way that smears an opponent is a totally different game!
              You have mixed up your genres. What O'Keefe and Project Veritas do is not smears. They do what's called Ambush Journalism.
              Ambush journalism definition


              ambush journalism. [noun] The tactic used by a news reporter who intercepts an uncooperative person in an unexpected place, such as a sidewalk or parking lot, in order to put questions to that individual and elicit spur-of-the-moment responses.

              It's not as if CNN hasn't done it too. They have:

              https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2011/3/25/960113/-

              http://www.floppingaces.net/2018/02/...d-dana-Loesch/

              https://www.breitbart.com/big-journa...le-vile-awful/

              There's a big difference between a smear, which you incorrectly identified in this case, and ambush journalism. The later is sometimes a useful tactic when used against persons that would otherwise be unwilling and uncooperative at getting to the truth in story. In the case of O'Keefe's deep state videos using ambush journalism is about the only way one could get those interviewed to open up and admit what they're doing.

              Badly done, is what CNN did above. They blindsided a politician or other person in an attempt to make them look bad on camera. They weren't interested in the story but in discrediting the victim of their ambush.

              It is clear that Project Veritas has found persons inside government that are actively working to undermine the Trump administration. We don't know the extent to which this is happening, or how many people are involved. It could be just a few. It could be a multitude. We don't know from those videos. Has this happened before? I'd say yes, and to Presidents from both parties.

              But, your whining about the videos being false and irrelevant is just that. Meaningless whining.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Artyom_A View Post
                Are Americans aware that a half of European politicians are socialists? Looks like they are not.
                1) Actually most of us are aware, and realize that's why most of Europe is going broke and has many social and justice PROBLEMS.

                2) Focus here isn't upon politicians, whom are elected(every few years), but rather about government employees whom with 20+ years "on the job" serve thru many different POTUS administrations, and ...

                3) Those Guv'mint employees using work resources to advance personal political agendas, along with their personal political agendas resulting in improper(potentially illegal) job performance.

                4) How many of these guv'mint workers, once past tenure and/or on the union rolls are difficult to fire - discharge from employment and are taking advantage of that condition when doing improper and or illegal activities while on the job.
                TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
                “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
                Present Current Events are the Future's History

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Rutger View Post
                  WOW. Deep State ! Holy Crappola ! They're REAL.
                  Have been for decades or more, just weren't tagged that.

                  Originally posted by Rutger View Post
                  They're EVERYWHERE.
                  More a case of there being way more than there should be, in Guv'mint employment .... and they are mucking up more than we can afford to have ....

                  Originally posted by Rutger View Post
                  And they are guilty of EVERYTHING.
                  More a case of severe Civil DIS-Service.
                  TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
                  “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
                  Present Current Events are the Future's History

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by pamak View Post

                    Your source's title and writing style matches perfectly in tone and credibility that of the National Enquirer which TAG so much despises

                    And spare me with the "Project Veritas"

                    They proved themselves to be clear political hacks when the were caught feeding false stories to WaPo about Roy Moore in an attempt to set-up a trap and discredit his critics.

                    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-veritas-twis/

                    James O’Keefe of Project Veritas name and fame tried to out The Washington Post in an undercover video and audio recording as biased against Roy Moore, on an intentional witch hunt to take down the Alabama candidate.

                    But he fell short.

                    The Post, during fact-checking, caught on to the sting.

                    And now the whole
                    Moore story, already plagued with drama — make that, scandal — has taken a new and stranger twist that’s likely to soak up the next 24 hours or so of media coverage.

                    If hacks who edit videos can so easily convince you, it is because you have a desire to accept everything that supports your beliefs.
                    One strike does not make a strike-out.

                    Your clearly biased to the Left MSM sources constantly edit the videos they present, which by your standard would make them political hacks also. And apparently have easily convinced you to be a Leftist Liberal and support your beliefs.

                    Seeing how many here have a challenge when the post exceeds three paragraphs, I doubt many would also be willing to sift thru 2-3 hours of un-editied tape. Heck, most don't even bother to click the links and read all the way through those. The edited portions clear show these people making the statements, no cut and splice of words and video obvious, and they consistently repeat the same incriminating statements and positions.

                    I'm not here to convince the unconvinceable, rather to offer information and alternate positions for consideration. If you want the full length tape, take it up with Veritas, and while at it, how about the MSMs like ABC, NBC, CBS, etc.
                    TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
                    “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
                    Present Current Events are the Future's History

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                      You have mixed up your genres. What O'Keefe and Project Veritas do is not smears. They do what's called Ambush Journalism.



                      It's not as if CNN hasn't done it too. They have:

                      https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2011/3/25/960113/-

                      http://www.floppingaces.net/2018/02/...d-dana-Loesch/

                      https://www.breitbart.com/big-journa...le-vile-awful/

                      There's a big difference between a smear, which you incorrectly identified in this case, and ambush journalism. The later is sometimes a useful tactic when used against persons that would otherwise be unwilling and uncooperative at getting to the truth in story. In the case of O'Keefe's deep state videos using ambush journalism is about the only way one could get those interviewed to open up and admit what they're doing.

                      Badly done, is what CNN did above. They blindsided a politician or other person in an attempt to make them look bad on camera. They weren't interested in the story but in discrediting the victim of their ambush.

                      It is clear that Project Veritas has found persons inside government that are actively working to undermine the Trump administration. We don't know the extent to which this is happening, or how many people are involved. It could be just a few. It could be a multitude. We don't know from those videos. Has this happened before? I'd say yes, and to Presidents from both parties.

                      But, your whining about the videos being false and irrelevant is just that. Meaningless whining.
                      I haven't mixed up anything!

                      They use ambush journalism in order to smear political opponents and institutions. This is pretty obvious with how they treated WaPo. When the latter vetted the Roy Moore's accuser and found that she was planted by O'Keefe, Project Veritas did not find it worthy to publish it and inform us about WaPo's solid journalistic practices. So, what can as an assho*** like O'Keefe tell me about any organization when he chooses to "ambush" organizations only to show some bad apples that he will eventually find (since bad apples exist in every organization? It is obvious that he is not interested in using "ambush journalism" as part of a honest investigative work which can tell us what things certain institutions do right and what things they do wrong.

                      If somebody finds 100 federal or other types of employees who seem to be okay, and goes after an institution only when he finds the one person in that organization which is involved in questionable practices, this is a smear campaign! With O'Keefe his handling of the WaPo story PROVES that he is dishonest regarding the coverage of political opponents, and therefore cannot be trusted with his "ambush journalism."

                      On top of the above, his shameful editing and the withholding of the whole original video which obscures context gives us one more reason to dismiss him as a credible source. One can use such tactics to magnify a common event (such as the leaking of information by anonymous officials as I showed with past examples of such leaking to FOX News journalists) to unrealistic proportions and argue about the existence of some vast conspiracy of democratic federal employees against Trump.
                      Last edited by pamak; 23 Sep 18, 16:56.
                      My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                      • #26
                        Power-hungry Republicans go into business, and power-hungry Democrats go into government and education. Perhaps it was different under European monarchies.
                        "It is a fine fox chase, my boys"

                        "It is well that war is so terrible-we would grow too fond of it"

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

                          One strike does not make a strike-out.

                          Your clearly biased to the Left MSM sources constantly edit the videos they present, which by your standard would make them political hacks also. And apparently have easily convinced you to be a Leftist Liberal and support your beliefs.

                          Seeing how many here have a challenge when the post exceeds three paragraphs, I doubt many would also be willing to sift thru 2-3 hours of un-editied tape. Heck, most don't even bother to click the links and read all the way through those. The edited portions clear show these people making the statements, no cut and splice of words and video obvious, and they consistently repeat the same incriminating statements and positions.

                          I'm not here to convince the unconvinceable, rather to offer information and alternate positions for consideration. If you want the full length tape, take it up with Veritas, and while at it, how about the MSMs like ABC, NBC, CBS, etc.
                          Ohh, yes it does!

                          If they catch you ONCE being dishonest, it should enough to damage your credibility. And notice that this thing did not come from some specific employee which you could fire by claiming that he went too far, and that his practices do not reflect those of the Project Veritas. This came from the founder of the Veritas Project, so in this case one strike makes it a strike-out for the credibility of the project. We are not playing baseball here!


                          As for being biased to the left MSM sources, I disagree. I would be biased if I was willing to get whatever a single source among them serves me without trying to verify the information from other sources or without going into depth regarding the information they provide. I know that many people today are not interested in this type of investigation. Of course, people like O'Keefe know that too, and this is why they can get away with the shoddy practices of their "journalism."
                          My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                          • #28
                            There is no ambiguity as to the statements made by the filmed federal employees. The source is irrelevant the remaining question is how widespread the abuse is and if the organization's they belong to are subversive. My guess is that similar abuses can be found to be committed by employees of all political affiliations but the question of subversion by communists creates a special case. Time and resource theft is a lesser offence than sabotage.

                            A major overhaul of federal employment is overdue. Performance standards need to be enforce and agencies need to be accountable. Working for the American people is a privilege that carries with it special obligations including following the direction established by the president without bias. We are not a direct democracy precisely because it leads to chaos. As long as directives are legal federal employees are obligated to carry them out. They have the same right to change representation as other citizens but the terms of their employment must include prohibitions on using their positions to influence elections or policy. Policy is the responsibility of elected officials.
                            We hunt the hunters

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
                              There is no ambiguity as to the statements made by the filmed federal employees. The source is irrelevant the remaining question is how widespread the abuse is and if the organization's they belong to are subversive. My guess is that similar abuses can be found to be committed by employees of all political affiliations but the question of subversion by communists creates a special case. Time and resource theft is a lesser offence than sabotage.

                              A major overhaul of federal employment is overdue. Performance standards need to be enforce and agencies need to be accountable. Working for the American people is a privilege that carries with it special obligations including following the direction established by the president without bias. We are not a direct democracy precisely because it leads to chaos. As long as directives are legal federal employees are obligated to carry them out. They have the same right to change representation as other citizens but the terms of their employment must include prohibitions on using their positions to influence elections or policy. Policy is the responsibility of elected officials.
                              Oh, there is a big ambiguity regarding the magnitude of the leaks! The fact that people from within the federal administration leak information is standard practice! I gave previously examples from FOX News when it used information from anonymous officials requesting anonymity. So, it is not a "guess" that employees of all political affiliations often collaborate with the press by leaking information. It is a reality! Of course, when this thing happened at the time when Obama was president, O'Keefe was not interested in investigating it!
                              Right now, it seems we have more serious leaks coming from the "president's men" (who even publish secret recordings) than from democrats working in federal agencies.
                              Last edited by pamak; 23 Sep 18, 17:39.
                              My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
                                There is no ambiguity as to the statements made by the filmed federal employees. The source is irrelevant the remaining question is how widespread the abuse is and if the organization's they belong to are subversive. My guess is that similar abuses can be found to be committed by employees of all political affiliations but the question of subversion by communists creates a special case. Time and resource theft is a lesser offence than sabotage.

                                A major overhaul of federal employment is overdue. Performance standards need to be enforce and agencies need to be accountable. Working for the American people is a privilege that carries with it special obligations including following the direction established by the president without bias. We are not a direct democracy precisely because it leads to chaos. As long as directives are legal federal employees are obligated to carry them out. They have the same right to change representation as other citizens but the terms of their employment must include prohibitions on using their positions to influence elections or policy. Policy is the responsibility of elected officials.
                                My oldest son works for Immigration, processing applications for entry and citizenship, in Lincoln, Nebraska, and been there over three years now. He's an Iraq combat veteran (CIB) and more Conservative than I in many ways. His experience there suggests somewhere on the order of a third to half of co-workers are flaming liberals-socialists, many may be "under performing" in manner as we see on these tapes. Actual numbers likely vary from Agency to Agency, but this is a demographic we see more among Guv'mint employees than those in the private sector.
                                TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
                                “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
                                Present Current Events are the Future's History

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