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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by BELGRAVE View Post

    If another reason to hate the UN is the laughter that greeted Mr Trump's speech then I think it would be being very sensitive. Actually, the current POTUS declarations, with their I AM THE GREATEST theme are quite entertaining.
    A real reason for mirth was the Iranian representative talking of their desire to reduce terrorism and strife in the Middle East:- now that's funny !
    Actually, his over-the-top bombast fits an organization that could make Saudi Arabia the chair of a committee on women's rights, or Myanmar the chair on human rights. The UN is literally a parody of politics on a grand scale. It is so impossibly, insanely, nonsensical that it is a stand up comedy routine on its own.

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  • BELGRAVE
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Question... Do we really need more reasons to hate the UN than we already have...?
    If another reason to hate the UN is the laughter that greeted Mr Trump's speech then I think it would be being very sensitive. Actually, the current POTUS declarations, with their I AM THE GREATEST theme are quite entertaining.
    A real reason for mirth was the Iranian representative talking of their desire to reduce terrorism and strife in the Middle East:- now that's funny !

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Question... Do we really need more reasons to hate the UN than we already have...?

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  • slick_miester
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    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post

    They're not guests, they are diplomats. Guests eventually leave.
    As I understand it, a passport represents the traveler's pledge to obey local laws, and the host country's pledge to treat the traveler in accordance with certain standards, either predetermined by bilateral treaty, or international norms. So if a foreigner is arrested, said foreigner has the right to contact his embassy/consulate. In the case of diplomats, they can't be held once their status as diplomats is established. Nevertheless, they are guests, they have pledged to observe local laws, and while they can't be tried criminally, they can be ordered removed from the host country. Considering the numbers of diplos I've seen behaving very poorly, one would think that foreign ministries the world over would be purple with embarrassment. That they're not just confirms my assertion that they're not here working, merely partying. There's no reason why they can't perform the same work out in the 'burbs.

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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
    Maybe if the diplos and their floozy wives weren't traipsing from Fifth Avenue (think London's Oxford Street) and various glam parties, then maybe they'd actually get some work done. As it is, whatever it is that the UN may or may not bring to NYC, it isn't worth the hassle. They're guests, and they should behave accordingly. Instead they act like they own the place. For whatever it is they provide, it's frankly not worth it.
    They're not guests, they are diplomats. Guests eventually leave.

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  • slick_miester
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    Originally posted by Surrey View Post
    The diplomats are contributing. When they go to whatever is the most expensive restaurant in New Yoirk they will pay for their food and service. Most their cars will be brought from US dealers. When some Saudi Prince rents a floor of a luxury hotel, that money goes to New Yorkers. The chains they use for their slaves will probably be made of American steel.
    But no sales or excise taxes: diplomatic personnel are exempt from sales taxes on their purchases.

    Originally posted by Surrey View Post
    Their champagne will be bought from US vintners.
    Since they have their governments on the hook for such costs, why would they buy cheap US champagne when they can buy the good stuff from France? That's like buying Canadian Scotch.

    Originally posted by Surrey View Post
    As well as all the diplomats and their entourage there will be numerous jobs created both directly and indirectly supporting the UN facilities.
    We already have those jobs. NYC was an attractive place to do business long before the UN showed up. By your arguments, you seem to be acknowledging a well-known fact: that no important work is done at the UN HQ. To quote the AP's UN chief, "welcome to the world's most boring place." The reality is that nine-tenths of what goes on there at Turtle Bay doesn't even reach the level of masturbation in its import. At least Capitol Hill and Westminster can breach the four-fifths threshold. For the diplos that "work" there, UN duty is arguably the most coveted of assignments: it's nothing but a giant shopping trip.

    The Rockefeller family had originally offered part of Kykuit, the family estate as the headquarters for the United Nations. John D. Rockefeller Jr. deemed the location too remote from Manhattan [Kykuit is in Westchester Co, about 30mi north of the UN's current digs in Midtown Manhattan] and so the idea to buy Zeckendorf's property on Manhattan's East Side commenced. There was also a prior proposal to locate the UN near Niagara Falls.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/cool...in-nyc-2015-10
    Maybe if the diplos and their floozy wives weren't traipsing from Fifth Avenue (think London's Oxford Street) and various glam parties, then maybe they'd actually get some work done. As it is, whatever it is that the UN may or may not bring to NYC, it isn't worth the hassle. They're guests, and they should behave accordingly. Instead they act like they own the place. For whatever it is they provide, it's frankly not worth it.

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  • slick_miester
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    Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post

    An the major creator was the USofA and the location give to the UN buy Rockefeller
    You get me going, and then I learn something new.

    In 1946, Zeckendorf purchased the land with the intention to create an "X City" on the site.[10] This complex was to contain an office building and a hotel, each 57 stories tall, and an entertainment complex between them. The X City would have also had smaller apartment and office towers.[11] However, the equivalent to $86,577,562 in 2017 for X City never materialized, and Nelson Rockefeller purchased an option for Zeckendorf's waterfront land in Turtle Bay. The purchase was funded by Nelson's father, John D. Rockefeller Jr.. The Rockefeller family owned the Tudor City Apartments across First Avenue from the Zeckendorf site.[10] The city, in turn, spent $5 million on clearing the land.[9]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headqu...United_Nations
    Zeckendorf was a big name in NY real estate for a long time. I did not know that he had had an interest in that Turtle Bay property. Thanks John.

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  • slick_miester
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    There will be some who listened to Trump today and heard echoes of the 1930s.
    Actually the echos are more 1910s than 1930s. . . .

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by Massena View Post
    And this is worse-Trump has no understanding of history at all. And he is the worst example of not studying history.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...cid=spartandhp
    I read the article. Why should I be worried? The article never gets to that point. All it does is recap Trump's UN speech then lambasts him repeatedly for things he said. Should I be worried that the writer is incapable of articulating his thesis? Or, that CNN clearly hates Trump with a singular passion? Nothing in the article points to the headline of it, except maybe this veiled violation of Godwin's Law:

    There will be some who listened to Trump today and heard echoes of the 1930s.

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  • Massena
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    And this is worse-Trump has no understanding of history at all. And he is the worst example of not studying history.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...cid=spartandhp

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  • Massena
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    Originally posted by ljadw View Post

    He means : telling the truth .
    The truth is that these Disunited Nations are only a band of evil parasites living at the cost of the West and at the same time insulting the West .Since their existence dozens of millions have been murdered and killed, and these parasites are responsible for it .
    The person insulting the West is Trump, pure and simple. He has once again proven that he is unfit for the office.

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  • Massena
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    Originally posted by Johan Banér View Post
    Except it isn't a joke. The tenor of US foreign policy now is resentment of the world (mostly its allies, while embracing a mixed bag of dictatorial strongmen) and self-pity. The effects of that should be real enough. And Trump certainly won't ever forget he was sniggered at at the UN. He will be out to show... someone... to prove... something...
    Trump was laughed at, and that means that the US was laughed at. Trump has thumped on about the US being laughed at before he became president and the facts of the matter is that didn't happen until he became president and spoke stupidly at the UN.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...cid=spartandhp

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  • Johan Banér
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    Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
    A real stand up comedian. What a joke. You can fool some of the people but not all the people.
    Except it isn't a joke. The tenor of US foreign policy now is resentment of the world (mostly its allies, while embracing a mixed bag of dictatorial strongmen) and self-pity. The effects of that should be real enough. And Trump certainly won't ever forget he was sniggered at at the UN. He will be out to show... someone... to prove... something...

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  • Half Pint John
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    Think about it: an organization allegedly devoted to peace being run by arms manufacturers.
    An the major creator was the USofA and the location give to the UN buy Rockefeller

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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    Originally posted by ljadw View Post

    He means : telling the truth .
    The truth is that these Disunited Nations are only a band of evil parasites living at the cost of the West and at the same time insulting the West .Since their existence dozens of millions have been murdered and killed, and these parasites are responsible for it .
    The only viable service the UN serves is to provide an opportunity for US intelligence to spy on the cheap.

    If the UN was actually something intended to have an impact, the Security Council wouldn't have such overwhelming power, and also wouldn't be made up of virtually every major arms manufacturer in the world.

    Think about it: an organization allegedly devoted to peace being run by arms manufacturers.

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