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  • The Process of Declassification

    When material is declassified, it has to go through a process to ensure that national security is not compromised:

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/17/polit...nts/index.html
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

  • #2
    Please explain where and how the public interest is compromised or degraded by open disclosure of all aspects of this "kangaroo court" investigation. ...

    Also where and how the "national security" is jeopardized by an open investigation ...
    ????? ......

    Trump inflames war on Justice Dept. by declassifying Russia docs
    ....
    Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump showed no signs of backing off his highly unprecedented order to declassify various documents and text messages related to the Russia investigation Tuesday, saying it wants it done for "transparency."

    The move, which has prompted renewed unease about the increasing politicization of intelligence materials, is likely to further inflame tensions between the President and intelligence and law enforcement officials, who have been the target of presidential Twitter tirades and who have voiced concerns in the past about potentially jeopardizing sources and methods.

    "We want transparency and what I want is I want total transparency," Trump said in the Oval Office Tuesday.

    "This is a witch hunt," he added, using his derisive reference to the Russia investigation -- "It's a terrible witch hunt and it's hurt our country and the things that have been found over the last couple of weeks about text messages back and forth are a disgrace to our nation. And I want transparency and so does everybody else."

    The President directed the Justice Department and Office of the Director of National Intelligence to initiate the "immediate declassification" of selective portions of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act application on former Trump foreign policy aide Carter Page, according to statement Monday from White House press secretary Sarah Sanders. Most significantly, his request also broadly included, "all FBI reports of interviews" prepared in connection with the FISA applications, which are normally closely guarded by the FBI.
    .....
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/17/polit...nts/index.html

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    • #3
      Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
      Please explain where and how the public interest is compromised or degraded by open disclosure of all aspects of this "kangaroo court" investigation. ...

      Also where and how the "national security" is jeopardized by an open investigation ...
      ????? ......

      Trump inflames war on Justice Dept. by declassifying Russia docs
      ....
      Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump showed no signs of backing off his highly unprecedented order to declassify various documents and text messages related to the Russia investigation Tuesday, saying it wants it done for "transparency."

      The move, which has prompted renewed unease about the increasing politicization of intelligence materials, is likely to further inflame tensions between the President and intelligence and law enforcement officials, who have been the target of presidential Twitter tirades and who have voiced concerns in the past about potentially jeopardizing sources and methods.

      "We want transparency and what I want is I want total transparency," Trump said in the Oval Office Tuesday.

      "This is a witch hunt," he added, using his derisive reference to the Russia investigation -- "It's a terrible witch hunt and it's hurt our country and the things that have been found over the last couple of weeks about text messages back and forth are a disgrace to our nation. And I want transparency and so does everybody else."

      The President directed the Justice Department and Office of the Director of National Intelligence to initiate the "immediate declassification" of selective portions of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act application on former Trump foreign policy aide Carter Page, according to statement Monday from White House press secretary Sarah Sanders. Most significantly, his request also broadly included, "all FBI reports of interviews" prepared in connection with the FISA applications, which are normally closely guarded by the FBI.
      .....
      https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/17/polit...nts/index.html
      First, it is neither a 'kangaroo court' nor a witch hunt. Next, in intelligence operations the last thing you want is 'transparency. Lastly, the material that Trump seemingly wants to be declassified benefits him and no one else-not the country for sure. As I have said before, Trump is a 'clear and present danger' to the security of the United States.
      We are not now that strength which in old days
      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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      • #4
        Sounds more like roaches fearing the flashlight to me.
        A new life awaits you in the off world colonies; the chance to begin again in a golden land of opportunity and adventure!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
          Please explain where and how the public interest is compromised or degraded by open disclosure of all aspects of this "kangaroo court" investigation. ...

          Also where and how the "national security" is jeopardized by an open investigation ...
          ????? ......

          Trump inflames war on Justice Dept. by declassifying Russia docs
          ....
          Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump showed no signs of backing off his highly unprecedented order to declassify various documents and text messages related to the Russia investigation Tuesday, saying it wants it done for "transparency."

          The move, which has prompted renewed unease about the increasing politicization of intelligence materials, is likely to further inflame tensions between the President and intelligence and law enforcement officials, who have been the target of presidential Twitter tirades and who have voiced concerns in the past about potentially jeopardizing sources and methods.

          "We want transparency and what I want is I want total transparency," Trump said in the Oval Office Tuesday.

          "This is a witch hunt," he added, using his derisive reference to the Russia investigation -- "It's a terrible witch hunt and it's hurt our country and the things that have been found over the last couple of weeks about text messages back and forth are a disgrace to our nation. And I want transparency and so does everybody else."

          The President directed the Justice Department and Office of the Director of National Intelligence to initiate the "immediate declassification" of selective portions of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act application on former Trump foreign policy aide Carter Page, according to statement Monday from White House press secretary Sarah Sanders. Most significantly, his request also broadly included, "all FBI reports of interviews" prepared in connection with the FISA applications, which are normally closely guarded by the FBI.
          .....
          https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/17/polit...nts/index.html
          The projection has reached insane proportions.

          After Vietnam, the Iranian revolution, the collapse of the USSR, etc. I pretty much have written our intelligence services off as mostly useless or better than nothing. Trump is the least of their problems.
          We hunt the hunters

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          • #6
            [QUOTE=Massena;n5063696]

            First, it is neither a 'kangaroo court' nor a witch hunt.[QUOTE]

            To date, as best as I recall, NO SPECIFIC Crime or criminal charge has been presented.

            Only vague allusions of "collaboration~conspiracy" between D.J.Trump and/or his 'Campaign' with "The Russians"* ....
            ....to alter the USA Presidential election process, again, no specific mechanisms provided, to "steal" the election from the Democrats/H.R.Clinton.

            "EXCUSE ME" ...

            But all this innuendo and conjectures (a.k.a. "Conspiracy Theory") is running on thinner ice than most UFO 'conspiracies' ....
            ..... hence, what else other than a 'kangaroo court', or pre-judiced 'Witch Hunt'. ??? ;

            ... please elaborate "Kapitan Queeg. ....

            Originally posted by Massena View Post
            ... Next, in intelligence operations the last thing you want is 'transparency.
            More correctly, what "one" doesn't want is transparency of "Methods and Sources";

            ... BUT, once moving into the realm of a Dept. of Justice 'Open Court' process, ALL "evidence"(and sources) must be presented and subject to "cross examination" by defendant; see USA Constitution Amendments IV, V, VI.

            Originally posted by Massena View Post
            Lastly, the material that Trump seemingly wants to be declassified benefits him and no one else-not the country for sure.
            About half the Country that voted for D.J.Trump in last POTUS election(2016) by default has a vested interest in this so-called ("kangaroo court") "trial", In Other Words, "WE the People" have a Right to know and see the evidence being brought forward to jury-rigged prosecute our current POTUS. **

            Originally posted by Massena View Post
            As I have said before, ....
            And all so often, ....
            .... BUT from the socialist/communist~Loonie-Leftist~'Democrat' Party - line of a statist and economic parasite, in all so much subjective perspective; we know you dislike the agenda and goal of Trump and other conservatives in this Nation. It is your "Greater Socialist Society" being derailed that upsets you so, komrade Massena.

            Originally posted by Massena View Post
            ... Trump is a 'clear and present danger' to the security of the United States.
            Trump has not bowed in subservient submission to heads of other foreign Nations; nor supported continued diversion of USA Security to "other nations". Hence he appears less a " 'clear and present danger' " to the security of the USA than our prior POTUS***, or the alternative we just dodged.

            If anything, for the first time in decades, we once again have a POTUS at least claiming to place USA Interest First in our doings and agendas.

            * = " The Russians Are Coming, the Russians Are Coming "

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ru...ans_Are_Coming

            ** = With about half of the eligible voters voting; really means only about a quarter of the Nation elected DJT. Still ...
            .... Consider a closer re-read of that link in your OP ...
            https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/17/polit...nts/index.html

            *** = a.k.a. BHO; Barrack Husein Obama; Leftist radical agent of Alinsky disruptions.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Pirateship1982 View Post
              Sounds more like roaches fearing the flashlight to me.
              The only roaches in this equation are in the White House.

              We are not now that strength which in old days
              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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              • #8
                And herein lies the basic problem with the current administration:

                https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/19/polit...cil/index.html

                Trump doesn't know diddly squat about national security, foreign affairs, or how to govern.
                We are not now that strength which in old days
                Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

                Comment


                • #9
                  [QUOTE=G David Bock;n5063720][QUOTE=Massena;n5063696]

                  First, it is neither a 'kangaroo court' nor a witch hunt.

                  To date, as best as I recall, NO SPECIFIC Crime or criminal charge has been presented.

                  Only vague allusions of "collaboration~conspiracy" between D.J.Trump and/or his 'Campaign' with "The Russians"* ....
                  ....to alter the USA Presidential election process, again, no specific mechanisms provided, to "steal" the election from the Democrats/H.R.Clinton.

                  "EXCUSE ME" ...

                  But all this innuendo and conjectures (a.k.a. "Conspiracy Theory") is running on thinner ice than most UFO 'conspiracies' ....
                  ..... hence, what else other than a 'kangaroo court', or pre-judiced 'Witch Hunt'. ??? ;

                  ... please elaborate "Kapitan Queeg. ....



                  More correctly, what "one" doesn't want is transparency of "Methods and Sources";

                  ... BUT, once moving into the realm of a Dept. of Justice 'Open Court' process, ALL "evidence"(and sources) must be presented and subject to "cross examination" by defendant; see USA Constitution Amendments IV, V, VI.



                  About half the Country that voted for D.J.Trump in last POTUS election(2016) by default has a vested interest in this so-called ("kangaroo court") "trial", In Other Words, "WE the People" have a Right to know and see the evidence being brought forward to jury-rigged prosecute our current POTUS. **



                  And all so often, ....
                  .... BUT from the socialist/communist~Loonie-Leftist~'Democrat' Party - line of a statist and economic parasite, in all so much subjective perspective; we know you dislike the agenda and goal of Trump and other conservatives in this Nation. It is your "Greater Socialist Society" being derailed that upsets you so, komrade Massena.



                  Trump has not bowed in subservient submission to heads of other foreign Nations; nor supported continued diversion of USA Security to "other nations". Hence he appears less a " 'clear and present danger' " to the security of the USA than our prior POTUS***, or the alternative we just dodged.

                  If anything, for the first time in decades, we once again have a POTUS at least claiming to place USA Interest First in our doings and agendas.

                  * = " The Russians Are Coming, the Russians Are Coming "

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ru...ans_Are_Coming

                  ** = With about half of the eligible voters voting; really means only about a quarter of the Nation elected DJT. Still ...
                  .... Consider a closer re-read of that link in your OP ...
                  https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/17/polit...nts/index.html

                  *** = a.k.a. BHO; Barrack Husein Obama; Leftist radical agent of Alinsky disruptions.
                  I would gladly reply to your hysterical and irrational posting, but it is so disorganized it makes it somewhat difficult. Perhaps if you could make it at least semi-coherent, that would be helpful.
                  We are not now that strength which in old days
                  Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                  Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                  To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                  • #10
                    Interesting development:

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp
                    We are not now that strength which in old days
                    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

                    Comment

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