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    In theory the EU has passed legislation that will make it the responsibility of the owners of websites such as this to police links to articles and protect all forms of original content such as images. We don't know yet if that includes links and copyrighted material retroactively.

    Your thoughts please?
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    Retroactive laws are nonsense formulated by idiots.

    I agree that the net could probably benefit from some form of protective rules, but I don't see the EU as being the ones to come up with them.

    The problem I see is that by using the net, one implies a type of blanket permission.

    Overall, I prefer the net as it is. I am fully capable of censoring it myself, and I have a strong antipathy to official censorship of any kind.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
      In theory the EU has passed legislation that will make it the responsibility of the owners of websites such as this to police links to articles and protect all forms of original content such as images. We don't know yet if that includes links and copyrighted material retroactively.

      Your thoughts please?
      Thoughts:

      1) There's no way to apply this to websites or owners that aren't within the EU's jurisdiction. I know if I got a letter from the EU about a site that I owned, I'd ignore it. I have no assets in the EU, and I'm an ocean out of their jurisdiction......they could literally issue a warrant for my arrest and it would be a pointless gesture.

      2) Related to 1 above. The EU will balkanize the internet. Basically there will be a World Wide Web for those of us in the US and other countries not under the EU's or other local rules. And in the EU, like in China for instance, there will be an 'approved internet'. Basically a large portion of the world will cut itself off from information in the pursuit of draconian rules.

      3) Leftists in the US will push for the US to adopt the same rules, as it will concentrate the Web into a few sites which are virtually all owned by leftist approved "check marks"....since smaller sites will find any requirement to police to that extreme to be prohibitive.

      4) Censorship will run rampant as now sites can simply claim they're following articles 11 and 13, and will delete or remove anything under the pretense that it could be a violation in some way.
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      • #4
        Why are Europeans taking this nonsense lying down?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
          Why are Europeans taking this nonsense lying down?
          They've been bred to accept it through progressive/socialist indoctrination all of their lives.
          The First Amendment applies to SMS, Emails, Blogs, online news, the Fourth applies to your cell phone, computer, and your car, but the Second only applies to muskets?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
            In theory the EU has passed legislation that will make it the responsibility of the owners of websites such as this to police links to articles and protect all forms of original content such as images. We don't know yet if that includes links and copyrighted material retroactively.

            Your thoughts please?

            I know almost nothing about European law, so can't really comment.

            A retroactive application of the law would be contrary to almost all legal principles in the US, but the EU is a different animal all the same.

            As Tac noted, jurisdictional issues would be involved as well.
            While this site might not be subject to EU jurisdiction, they might have been compelled to accept it as part of an agreement with the hosting site.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
              Why are Europeans taking this nonsense lying down?
              Still better than in US.
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              • #8
                Probably one of the most significant events in history and nobody cares. This is the equivalent of the Catholic church taking control of most printing presses.

                The big tech firms were opposed but for all the wrong reasons. Dystopia here we come.

                You would think that Orwell, Huxley, and Bradbury had never existed. The current crop of intellectuals are mostly cucks, so much for the idea the 60s generation were anything other than self indulgent twerps.
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                • #9
                  The EU will simply become like China. They can ban and what-have-you sites internally, but they can do nothing about external sites other than cut them off from being seen in the EU. thus, Europeans in the near future will begin to see their access to information being seriously curtailed based on the whims of their overlords in Brussels.

                  What will be interesting is that almost certainly this will create a market for dark internet sites and servers in Europe to provide all sorts of access to sites that the EU bans. Black markets are always going to flourish in a tightly governed area that excludes stuff that people will pay for.

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                  • #10
                    I haven't looked into this yet, but the way you explained it makes it sound like something the US already does. Any sort of copyright infringement has always been the responsibility of the site owner, even when they themselves didn't post the content in question. Many sites in the US have been shut down due to their users violating copyright laws.

                    What am I missing that makes this something different?
                    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                      The EU will simply become like China. They can ban and what-have-you sites internally.
                      Not long ago you were arguing that Trump should have the power to dictate what sites we can and cannot find online. Now all of a sudden you care about freedom
                      "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

                        Not long ago you were arguing that Trump should have the power to dictate what sites we can and cannot find online. Now all of a sudden you care about freedom
                        Not that I recall. But feel free to point out where you believe that to be the case.

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                        • #13
                          The EUSSR is beginning to become a reality itíll be official when they become known as the United States of Europe the self hating Soviet fans dream for Europe.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                            I haven't looked into this yet, but the way you explained it makes it sound like something the US already does. Any sort of copyright infringement has always been the responsibility of the site owner, even when they themselves didn't post the content in question. Many sites in the US have been shut down due to their users violating copyright laws.

                            What am I missing that makes this something different?
                            You are kidding, right? This site alone has thousands of copyrighted images on it. Not to mention tens of thousands of links that are not taxed.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post

                              You are kidding, right? This site alone has thousands of copyrighted images on it. Not to mention tens of thousands of links that are not taxed.
                              Regarding images their copyright owner has the legal right to have them removed if they so choose, under most circumstances. Your original post doesn't mention anything about links being taxed, I'll have to look this up on my own.
                              "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                              - Benjamin Franklin

                              The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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