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  • #16
    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

    That forced march through a blizzard was no joke. How did el generalissimo put it: "my men are good soldiers -- they suffer well."

    http://archive.caller.com/columnists...91089791.html/

    And then, having to fight for that callous bastard Santa Anna must have been an extreme exercise in soldierly duty. At least he -- accidentally -- left the world chewing gum.

    http://www.nypress.com/santa-anna-di...davy-crockett/

    Are the Alamo's Mexican defenders, like Juan Seguin's unit, receiving honors alongside the Alamo's American defenders in this new curriculum?
    He has one of the largest counties in Texas named after him, so yes.


    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
    Why didn't Santa Anna just lob mortars into the place, instead of jeopardizing his men in a frontal assault? Or was he just that careless a commander?
    No mortars at the siege. Santa Anna's artillery train was bogged down far south of him; he got impatient and ordered a frontal assault.

    Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
      Santa Anna did not have to use his artillery too much. The Alamo was not built for military defense. During the last assault the Mexican soldiers took a small cannon from the parade ground and used it to blow open the doors in the buildings around the church. The Mexican Army had to carry all its powder and shells from Mexico. It was easier to use soldiers than to use cannon balls.

      Much of the powder used by the Texicans in their artillery was so poor it was separating back into basic components. The Mexican Army had this same problem in the Mexican War.

      Pruitt
      Part of the reason it was so poor was because there was such a shortage of powder that some of their stock dated back to the Spanish Army.

      That was the irony of the Alamo: both sides wanted it for the cannon, but ammunition was so low that the guns were not terribly useful.

      Santa Anna could have left a few hundred men to keep the defenders bottled up and marched on, but the public perception of the Alamo as being important was such he felt that taking it would make a point.

      In the end, all he did was create martyrs and cripple his force.

      The truth is that Santa Anna should have won the revolution; he won every battle but the last one. But by storming the Alamo he unified the Texans, and then his arrogance led him into Houston's trap; he had to ransom himself with Texas.
      Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
        Our history books are already extremely skewed, biased and selective. Taking out the word heroic, won't change that.
        According to who? Rush? We get it, the education system are liberal indoctrination camps.....

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        • #19
          Originally posted by inevtiab1e View Post

          According to who? Rush? We get it, the education system are liberal indoctrination camps.....
          They're the opposite actually. It's extremely conservative, at least when it comes to history.
          "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
          - Benjamin Franklin

          The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
            AUSTIN — A Texas congressman joined dozens of parents and educators who urged the State Board of Education on Tuesday to keep the words “all the heroic defenders” in the state’s social studies curriculum to describe those who fought at the Alamo. An advisory group had recommended removing those words last week, setting off a barrage of criticism. But by mid-morning, the board appeared poised to keep the words in the curriculum, and a member of the advisory group said nobody had intended to minimize the deeds of the Alamo defenders.

            The advisory group had initially recommended removing the word heroic from the curriculum, saying it is a “value charged word.” The advisory group, made up of educators, also argued “all defenders” is a term too vague to be part of a history lesson. The group further recommended eliminating a specific reference to William B. Travis’ letter addressed to “the People of Texas and All Americans in the World,” commonly referred to as the “victory or death” letter.

            Texas lawmakers immediately rebuked the proposal. Gov. Greg Abbott and Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick called it “political correctness.” Land Commissioner George P. Bush said the proposal is “not debatable to me.”

            Stephen Cure, a member of the committee, said in an interview that the advisory group never intended to remove the Travis letter from the classroom or to discourage teachers from describing the defenders as “heroic.” He said eliminating the reference was only meant to simplify the wording of the teaching standards.

            “The majority of the work group felt it didn’t need to be said because it had always been taught that way for the past 30 plus years,” Cure said.

            The stories surrounding the Battle of the Alamo vary from true to mythologized to uncertain. The famous battle has been idolized on the big screen, and the iconic shrine receives more than 2.5 million visitors a year. But not many tourists, or locals for that matter, really know happened during that 13-day siege, or the events that occurred afterwards.

            Cure presented the board with a revised standard, which board members will discuss Wednesday. It says that teachers should explain issues surrounding significant events of the Texas Revolution, including “the heroism of diverse defenders who gave their lives” at the Alamo.

            https://www.expressnews.com/news/pol...hp?src=hp_totn

            Now how I read this is that some idiots in Austin decided that the story of the Alamo was too manly and needed to be marginalized...

            Remember folks, these are the ones who are teaching our children...
            A story about bad white people as heros? How can that be?
            My worst jump story:
            My 13th jump was on the 13th day of the month, aircraft number 013.
            As recorded on my DA Form 1307 Individual Jump Log.
            No lie.

            ~
            "Everything looks all right. Have a good jump, eh."
            -2 Commando Jumpmaster

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            • #21
              Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

              They're the opposite actually. It's extremely conservative, at least when it comes to history.
              I'm not sure I understand what you mean?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

                They're the opposite actually. It's extremely conservative, at least when it comes to history.
                Wants the black only version.

                My worst jump story:
                My 13th jump was on the 13th day of the month, aircraft number 013.
                As recorded on my DA Form 1307 Individual Jump Log.
                No lie.

                ~
                "Everything looks all right. Have a good jump, eh."
                -2 Commando Jumpmaster

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                  What "mortars"?
                  It's a Coehorn mortar if you didn't know or understand.
                  We are not now that strength which in old days
                  Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                  Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                  To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                    Our history books are already extremely skewed, biased and selective. Taking out the word heroic, won't change that.
                    Not compared to the re-writes the Left does to them. Howard Zinn's A People's History of the US is little more than a selective hit piece on everything Western and American. It is a Marxist fiction of class struggle tinged with every form of Leftist dogma. And, it is hardly the only one. Today we have "ethnic" and women's studies that propagandize racism, sexism, and hatred of those that disagree. These are trickling down into the public schools where real history is tossed out the window in favor of social and economic justice taught as little more than propaganda and indoctrination.

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                    • #25
                      A People's History isn't in the curriculum so you're off topic. As far as the history that we're teaching in our schools, it serves as nothing more than an indoctrination into faux patriotism. Our history books only focus on the accomplishments of western Europe and leaves out all other cultures, despite the many advances made in other parts of the world. Creating a new generation of self righteous sheep who think they're the center of the universe. The darker sides of American history are also left out. Again, this selective history gives a false impression of who America truly is. Our schools also separate African-American history from American history, reinforcing that blacks and whites in America are two separate entities instead of one collective. All while forcing our kids to pledge their allegiance every morning as if we're some sort of military dictatorship. This approach to brainwashing our youth is certainly not liberal, it's highly conservative.
                      "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                      - Benjamin Franklin

                      The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                        A People's History isn't in the curriculum so you're off topic. As far as the history that we're teaching in our schools, it serves as nothing more than an indoctrination into faux patriotism. Our history books only focus on the accomplishments of western Europe and leaves out all other cultures, despite the many advances made in other parts of the world. Creating a new generation of self righteous sheep who think they're the center of the universe. The darker sides of American history are also left out. Again, this selective history gives a false impression of who America truly is. Our schools also separate African-American history from American history, reinforcing that blacks and whites in America are two separate entities instead of one collective. All while forcing our kids to pledge their allegiance every morning as if we're some sort of military dictatorship. This approach to brainwashing our youth is certainly not liberal, it's highly conservative.
                        No, I'm not. You made a generalization about history books. I pointed out one that is used by some school districts and schools, and not a few. Multiculturalism that you allude to is a waste of time in K to 12. Learning a few facts about a mishmash of cultures irrelevant to American history is useless. African history is largely, if not entirely irrelevant to American history outside of the slave trade. It had no influence beyond that on the US... unless you want to count the Barbary Pirates and Barbary wars, but those were Arabs and Berbers, not Blacks.
                        Kids should be learning American history before being given a smorgasbord of useless trivia on the rest of the world. But, we're not even teaching them that any more.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                          No, I'm not. You made a generalization about history books. I pointed out one that is used by some school districts and schools, and not a few. Multiculturalism that you allude to is a waste of time in K to 12. Learning a few facts about a mishmash of cultures irrelevant to American history is useless. African history is largely, if not entirely irrelevant to American history outside of the slave trade. It had no influence beyond that on the US... unless you want to count the Barbary Pirates and Barbary wars, but those were Arabs and Berbers, not Blacks.
                          Kids should be learning American history before being given a smorgasbord of useless trivia on the rest of the world. But, we're not even teaching them that any more.
                          You can disagree with what should be taught all you want, my point and the fact is our history teachings are far from liberal. It's the opposite.
                          "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                          - Benjamin Franklin

                          The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                          • #28
                            Multiculturalism is a flawed and failing concept.
                            Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                              Multiculturalism is a flawed and failing concept.
                              But it was multicultural forces that held the Alamo and ultimately defeated Santa Anna, thus gaining Texas' independence. The fact that Texas today boasts a "Juan Seguin County" certainly attests to the fact that people of differing backgrounds can work together to achieve a greater good without having to "sell out" their cultural distinctiveness, no?
                              I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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                              • #30
                                Texas screwed Juan Seguin after the Revolution. They ran him off his land and he had to relocate South of the Rio Grande. Sure they named a county after him, but he is not an example of how Texas should treat patriotic Hispanics. Seguin's men died in the Alamo.

                                Pruitt
                                Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

                                Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

                                by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"

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