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  • #31
    Originally posted by craven View Post

    lol I am in trouble then. I haven't seen that since I registered in high school my senior year many many moons ago
    Probably why you are confused about what Party you belong to.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
      Well, let's see... North Carolina and ICE have worked out a deal to get the records but they don't have to be delivered immediately. Instead, NC will ensure their preservation and they'll be handed over as the state can make it happen.

      https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...ht-ice-n907256

      Seems the 19 illegals weren't the only ones arrested for voter fraud. Another 12 in one precinct who were charged for various other reasons:

      https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/02/u...-carolina.html

      And, the arrests are recent:



      https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/u...na-voting.html

      So, the arrests were a week or so ago. Here's the official list and date:

      https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/19...2016-elections

      Note that these were after a grand jury indictment.

      I'd say they had good reason. Why do Pamak and Craven, among others continue to argue that this is a bad thing in some way?



      . waste of money 40 votes is not election turning typically hell until you start breaking 1k it peanuts.

      So why do you keep wanting to waste money on this rather than preventing people from crossing the border.

      BTW why do you keep wanting counties to pay to do the job of the feds. Seems sort of liberal to me :-)

      btw also unfunded mandate are a serious pet pevee of mine.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by craven View Post

        . waste of money 40 votes is not election turning typically hell until you start breaking 1k it peanuts.

        So why do you keep wanting to waste money on this rather than preventing people from crossing the border.

        BTW why do you keep wanting counties to pay to do the job of the feds. Seems sort of liberal to me :-)

        btw also unfunded mandate are a serious pet pevee of mine.
        I want to know for sure that voter fraud isn't a problem or widespread. If the election is close, then even these small numbers matter. Seems to me that only the Democrats and Progressives don't care, well some of them even encourage, about voter fraud.



        He was on MSNBC at the time too.

        My point is it needs thorough investigation because everyone needs to have faith our elections aren't being rigged in some way. That means voter ID, proof of citizenship, proof of eligibility to vote, keeping the voter rolls up-to-date, and telling the Left to STFU on their whining about doing nothing about this.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
          Well, let's see... North Carolina and ICE have worked out a deal to get the records but they don't have to be delivered immediately. Instead, NC will ensure their preservation and they'll be handed over as the state can make it happen.

          https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...ht-ice-n907256

          Seems the 19 illegals weren't the only ones arrested for voter fraud. Another 12 in one precinct who were charged for various other reasons:

          https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/02/u...-carolina.html

          And, the arrests are recent:



          https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/u...na-voting.html

          So, the arrests were a week or so ago. Here's the official list and date:

          https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/19...2016-elections

          Note that these were after a grand jury indictment.

          I'd say they had good reason. Why do Pamak and Craven, among others continue to argue that this is a bad thing in some way?



          This is a new development since the article you posted mentioned that

          The subpoena originally asked that the documents be produced by September 25...

          https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...ht-ice-n907256

          It seems the complaints had an effect! I am fine with the idea of providing information AFTER the election!
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          • #35
            Originally posted by craven View Post
            Why is Ice doing this. I can see ice being involved but not an ice issue. Hope ICE pays the counties for the work they do.
            If this is anything like my home county, it should cost about $880.00.

            People make a big deal about these sort of things, but, legally, it is public information, and any Joe Schmo can walk into a County Clerk's office and obtain them. Political campaigns ALWAYS do. We did.

            Tuebor

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Tuebor View Post

              If this is anything like my home county, it should cost about $880.00.

              People make a big deal about these sort of things, but, legally, it is public information, and any Joe Schmo can walk into a County Clerk's office and obtain them. Political campaigns ALWAYS do. We did.

              Tuebor
              You do not make sense
              If the Trump campaign has already done it, then why do they request the same piece of information now? What you say basically implies that they want to harass certain counties


              Also, I question your claim about what is considered public information and if ALL information, including social security numbers, are considered public information.

              But I am interested to learn about your experience: are you saying that "you" (meaning the people in the campaign for which you were working) got the SSN numbers of voters?
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              • #37
                Originally posted by Tuebor View Post

                If this is anything like my home county, it should cost about $880.00.

                People make a big deal about these sort of things, but, legally, it is public information, and any Joe Schmo can walk into a County Clerk's office and obtain them. Political campaigns ALWAYS do. We did.

                Tuebor
                what we as non government types can do is a lot different that what the federal govts is suppose to do. Granted in the era of big data a lot of people can do what the government only the feds could do

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by craven View Post
                  Why is Ice doing this. I can see ice being involved but not an ice issue. Hope ICE pays the counties for the work they do.
                  Illegals cannot vote. ICE handles illegals.

                  I suspect the records are going to show many things besides this particular incident.
                  Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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