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  • To Trump fans it's not about ‘truths’, policies or values, it’s about authenticity

    For his followers Trump isn’t about ‘truths’, policies, values, principals or even ideas, it’s about authenticity

    I find this Trump phenomenon fascinating. Quite, quite fascinating.
    As fascinating as the 1419 and1618 Defenestrations of Prague? ……..Almost.
    As fascinating as the 1937 Bolivian potato harvest? ……………Well let’s not go too far.
    But indeed fascinating nonetheless.

    From an outsider’s point of view (though past presidents Bush Snr, Clinton, Bush Jnr and Obama have proposed I be made an honorary citizen of the US) the strangest aspect of the last 20 months in America is the amazing way Trump has managed to sustain such a continued level of support amongst his ‘base’, or more correctly his ‘faction’.

    Why do they stick so loyally to this abrasive, fraudulent, vindictive, deliberately divisive vulgarian?

    Well some commentators in Australia (and in the US as well I'm sure) conclude that it’s not about his policies, his ideas his relationship or lack thereof with the ‘truth’ and ‘facts’, his principals or lack thereof.
    In a counterintuitive way it’s precisely because he is all these things and they don’t care.
    He’s just plain ‘real’.
    It’s because he is simply regarded by them as authentic.
    Unlike all those err…ummm…phonies, frauds and cookie-cutter puppets that ran the show before.

    It’s also partly because he’s successfully redefined and personalised American patriotism for his supporters.

    Waleed Aly well-known Australian TV current affairs presenter and newspaper columnist summed it up like this in the ‘Age’ of July 20:
    “The level of devotion to Trump among his supporters is so high because it stands in for the devotion they might once have had to something far greater.

    My sense is that’s because Trump’s appeal to them has been equally personal.
    He might lie to them, he might adopt policies that hurt them and benefit Wall Street, he might change his positions on big issues on a daily basis.
    What he will never do is sneer at them and call them names.
    If there’s a nostalgia to this, it’s that there was probably a time America didn’t do that, either.
    And if that America cannot be retrieved, then it can at least be embodied in a single person.

    That seems to be the pact: Trump will defend their honour, and they will defend him. And they will follow him no matter where he goes, even if all roads lead to Russia. What remains is a patriotism that believes in nothing, but hates everything because its believers think everything hates them.”


    In short it’s the Trumpsters against the world.

    But then what would I know?
    Maybe I should stick to the World War Two sub-forum?

    lodestar was neither liked nor trusted. Not by those who raised him, those he grew up with and went to school with, those he worked with and associated with as an adult, nor those who know him now.
    One woman told him she felt uneasy around him because: 'Your eyes are the colour of dirty coins.' [true story]


    Regards lodestar


  • #2
    Yet another ignorant troll thread.
    Credo quia absurdum.


    Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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    • #3
      Republicans have long preferred presidents in which "they can have a beer with", Trump is just a more extreme version of that as he's someone who arrived to the party already drunk. But, that's what makes him so appealing to his faction. Conservatives don't understand most policy so they need someone they can relate to, someone that's going to make a complex world sound so simple. Take the NAFTA thread for example, they don't even know what they're celebrating, they don't understand trade or what's going to change. So, all Trump has to do is organize NAFTA under a different name and then put on his marketing cap and his people are sold. He wins them over due to his ability to talk just as simply and often just as nastily as they do, and by being a good marketer. That's all it's about. The policy doesn't matter, what matters is that he's one of them.
      "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
      - Benjamin Franklin

      The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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      • #4
        Where do you (Lodestar) come up with this stuff? I'd say most people who voted for Trump didn't want any part of the alternative: Another Progressive Leftist, tax and spend, big government, one-size-fits-all, nationalizing, regulating, Democrat in office. Top that off with Hillary being a serial felon, wanton liar, and largely unlikable person.

        Trump may be a troll and a braggard but he's also not wrecking the economy, not regulating things to death, not calling for more taxes, and not trying to get government to take over large portions of the economy.

        As for likability, most Americans, not just Republicans, would prefer a politician or any other leader to be personable, someone they can relate to. Progressive elites with their effete know-it-all attitudes, holier than thou arrogance, and pseudointellectual drivel make most Americans want to puke. That was part of Hillary's problem. Obama exhibited it as did Michelle. They know they're smarter, better, and should be the ones people listen to because they went to elite schools, know the right people, and are just better than you are. Ask them, they'll tell you.

        https://www.americanthinker.com/arti..._smartest.html

        The elitist, know-it-all, smartest person in the room attitude of Progressives makes the average person's stomach churn. They want no part of that snobbery. So, Trump may be a troll. He may be a loud mouthed braggard, but he's the sort of guy we can get behind as opposed to the snobs on the Left.



        We liked Al Czervik (Rodney Dangerfield) and hated Judge Smails (Ted Knight) in Caddyshack because we innately dislike rich snobs.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
          Where do you (Lodestar) come up with this stuff? I'd say most people who voted for Trump didn't want any part of the alternative: Another Progressive Leftist, tax and spend, big government, one-size-fits-all, nationalizing, regulating, Democrat in office. Top that off with Hillary being a serial felon, wanton liar, and largely unlikable person.

          Trump may be a troll and a braggard but he's also not wrecking the economy, not regulating things to death, not calling for more taxes, and not trying to get government to take over large portions of the economy.

          As for likability, most Americans, not just Republicans, would prefer a politician or any other leader to be personable, someone they can relate to. Progressive elites with their effete know-it-all attitudes, holier than thou arrogance, and pseudointellectual drivel make most Americans want to puke. That was part of Hillary's problem. Obama exhibited it as did Michelle. They know they're smarter, better, and should be the ones people listen to because they went to elite schools, know the right people, and are just better than you are. Ask them, they'll tell you.

          https://www.americanthinker.com/arti..._smartest.html

          The elitist, know-it-all, smartest person in the room attitude of Progressives makes the average person's stomach churn. They want no part of that snobbery. So, Trump may be a troll. He may be a loud mouthed braggard, but he's the sort of guy we can get behind as opposed to the snobs on the Left.



          We liked Al Czervik (Rodney Dangerfield) and hated Judge Smails (Ted Knight) in Caddyshack because we innately dislike rich snobs.
          A real world example is John Kerry.
          Credo quia absurdum.


          Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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          • #6
            Now this is very, very, sadly funny coming from a Trump supporter.

            We liked Al Czervik (Rodney Dangerfield) and hated Judge Smails (Ted Knight) in Caddyshack because we innately dislike rich snobs.

            What is Trump??? Do you think you'll ever get admittance at one of his golf clubs or sip a whiskey with him. Do you think you'll never see him on the street and greet you, out side of his party rally's?

            Man, bought hook, line and kool-aid

            Trump goes OUT for burgers.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13HM_96pUIo
            "Ask not what your country can do for you"

            Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

            you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
              Trump may be a troll and a braggard but he's also not wrecking the economy, not regulating things to death, not calling for more taxes, and not trying to get government to take over large portions of the economy.
              Tariffs are a tax, tariffs do exert control over certain sectors of the economy.

              https://forums.armchairgeneral.com/f...n-the-internet

              Sounds like a pretty big regulation to me.
              "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
              - Benjamin Franklin

              The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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              • #8
                To Trump fans it's not about ‘truths’, policies or values, it’s about authenticity

                And to the legion of TDS Trump haters on this forum, the truth doesn't matter and never has.
                Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                • #9
                  You speak of Truth and Trump in the same breath? How many lies has he told you straight to your face? Is that the type of person you support?
                  "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                  Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                  you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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