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    Trump now an unindicted co-conspirator in two federal felonies

    Developments in the Michael Cohen case now make POTUS Trump essentially an unindicted co-conspirator in two federal felonies regarding specific violations of campaign statutes.
    Sheesh how has it come to this?
    Can a President even be indicted?

    Just been listening to a podcast of an interview on Australian Radio National by Philip Adams with his US commentator Bruce Shapiro of ‘The Nation’ Magazine and the Dart Center for Journalism and Trauma (okay, okay I get some people will roll their eyes at that one!!).

    Shapiro summed up Trump’s troubles pretty well:

    The American legal system is highly regarded in some quarters and derided as laughably lumbering, convoluted and subject to being turned into a media circus in other quarters.
    Remember the nonsense that had to be gone through to nail psychotic career criminal, jaywalker and circumventer of firearms control laws Al Capone? Tax evasion of all things.

    However the 'system' is methodical and very, very persistent even when it has only a thin trail of breadcrumbs to follow.

    What has happen has now created a situation where there is ‘a specific predicate for impeachment’ should the House come under Democrat control in mid-November.

    Trump seems to not understand that the charges slowly coming his way will be about CORRUPTION NOT collusion.

    Justice Department officials as Shapiro points out, may be career lawyers / attorneys but they have, to their great credit, distinguished themselves by standing up for their own mission and for basic decency and integrity in US politics.

    This coupled with the Mueller convictions against Manafort, within hours of Cohen’s confessions mean Trump’s past circle looks increasingly like members in an outright felonious outfit.

    Trump surrounded has himself with a ‘swamp’ far worse than the one he claimed he was going to drain.

    He needs to go simply because of the immense discredit he is bringing to his office.
    He supposed to at least TRY to set an example for Pete's Sake.

    Interesting times indeed.

    Regards
    lodestar








  • #2
    Probably not. First, for a campaign finance violation to occur Trump would have had to use campaign money and report the expenditure to the FEC. I doubt any politician ever was going to report spending campaign money to hush up a mistress. Therefore, it's going to be damn hard to prove his spending was "campaign contributions." If Trump used his own money it wasn't a campaign contribution regardless of the stretch it was to help his campaign. Not everything a politician does is a "contribution in kind," like some are trying to make this out to be.

    Second, there is a precedent for this in recent US politics: John Edwards. Prosecutors tried to get him for the exact same thing and failed. The jury returned a not guilty verdict.

    As for impeachment, as the Clinton case proves doing it reasons other than malfeasance related to duties in office, impeaching someone for stuff totally unrelated is really going down a dangerous road.

    I'm not defending Trump here. He's a troll. But, this is really a dangerous route going after him for mistress payoffs and trying to say it was in kind campaign contributions. It failed with Edwards, and Clinton. It could backfire here too. Find something that's a bit more central to the Presidency than salacious gossip about who's bed he's sharing.

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    • #3
      Lodestar ''forgets '' to mention that Shapiro is a liberal and an enemy of Trump, thus the opinion of Shapiro is good for under the bus .
      Shapiro works for the Global Investigative Journalism Network, one of the members of this Network is Propublica, a Soros creation .
      Last edited by ljadw; 24 Aug 18, 10:04.

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      • #4
        Isn't the Trump team now stating that collusion isn't illegal. i.e. its ok to work with enemy states during elections?

        That doesn't matter anyways, all that sort of stuff will turn into a political football. To get convictions (ala Manafort) it's going to be about "follow the money".

        It's pretty straightforward. Russian mobsters invested heavily in Trump Tower and golf courses in 1990's and 2000's. That puts Trump on FBI radar. Payments have to be made via some sort of shell game which is what takes time unravelling. Finally get to see Trump's tax returns (which he has denied so far) and match up to monies received. IRS says "why didn't you pay taxes on those undeclared payments".

        Remember - Russia loves Golf.

        https://themoscowproject.org/collusi...g-need-russia/

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Canuckster View Post
          Isn't the Trump team now stating that collusion isn't illegal. i.e. its ok to work with enemy states during elections?
          Yes, they are. What goes around, comes around however. Both Cohen and Manafort are learning that expensive lesson now as well as Popadopulous, Flynn, and Gates.

          And there's going to be more to come...

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          • #6
            And now for the spineless Republicans in Congress...

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

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            • #7
              Trump the Swamp Thing...

              The president does not understand that the US Attorney General is not his personal lawyer and does not operate to do the president's bidding.

              https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/24/polit...ism/index.html

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              • #8
                I'm pretty sure the timing of prosecution was selected to effect the mid terms, politics is a dirty business. I can't see any explanation for Cohen's conviction other than he plead guilty to avoid conviction on more serious crimes unrelated to Trump. We will just have to wait for the full story.

                Conservatism is under attack in the U.S. from UTubers to anyone associated with the president. The left having lost the Presidency, House and Senate, most Governorships, many state legislatures and the meme war only has the extremely bias media, Hollywood, globalists and big government bureaucrats to promote their agenda. Eight years of Obama created a progressive legal system (excluding the Supreme Court) that has been weaponized to stop the rollback of government size and scope and progressive ideologies.

                If Trump prevails and republicans keep the house it will be many years before progressives will be able to recover lost ground. In many ways Trump being elected was the end of many progressives political lives. The hysteria from that perspective can be understood if not agreed with.

                The real question is why the republicans are not using their own prosecutors to go after Democrats.
                We hunt the hunters

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                • #9
                  OMG, wake the fk up. Muller is gop, he his a Republican, one of the few that seems to have morals. What do you want, the total destruction of our system because of PARTY???? Pack your bags and get the F out.
                  "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                  Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                  you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                  • #10
                    Choosing party over country seems to be the new mantra of those who call themselves 'conservatives.' And they will accept anything from those who espouse that mantra, right or wrong, legal or illegal.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by lodestar View Post
                      [B]...He needs to go simply because of the immense discredit he is bringing to his office...
                      The discredit is not to the office; it's to him


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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
                        I'm pretty sure the timing of prosecution was selected to effect the mid terms, politics is a dirty business. I can't see any explanation for Cohen's conviction other than he plead guilty to avoid conviction on more serious crimes unrelated to Trump. We will just have to wait for the full story.

                        Conservatism is under attack in the U.S. from UTubers to anyone associated with the president. The left having lost the Presidency, House and Senate, most Governorships, many state legislatures and the meme war only has the extremely bias media, Hollywood, globalists and big government bureaucrats to promote their agenda. Eight years of Obama created a progressive legal system (excluding the Supreme Court) that has been weaponized to stop the rollback of government size and scope and progressive ideologies.

                        If Trump prevails and republicans keep the house it will be many years before progressives will be able to recover lost ground. In many ways Trump being elected was the end of many progressives political lives. The hysteria from that perspective can be understood if not agreed with.

                        The real question is why the republicans are not using their own prosecutors to go after Democrats.
                        Most of the prosecutors were appointed by the Democrats and won;t follow the law. Remember the FBI being "unable to find enough evidence" to prosecute the HildeBeast?
                        Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                          OMG, wake the fk up. Muller is gop, he his a Republican, one of the few that seems to have morals. What do you want, the total destruction of our system because of PARTY???? Pack your bags and get the F out.
                          Based on their rhetoric, that's absolutely what they want.
                          "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                          - Benjamin Franklin

                          The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                          • #14
                            I don't think they're going to move to impeach Trump, but I do think all of this will make it impossible for him to win reelection. Which is the best route towards restoring civility and values back in this country.
                            "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                            - Benjamin Franklin

                            The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                              OMG, wake the fk up. Muller is gop, he his a Republican, one of the few that seems to have morals. What do you want, the total destruction of our system because of PARTY???? Pack your bags and get the F out.
                              Mueller is a criminal and should be in prison .

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