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    Here's a piece that confirms my view of Pres Trump and his rhetoric: he's not revolutionary, merely evolutionary. Trump is no doubt less subtle than his predecessors, but in a substantive sense, they're pretty darn close.

    October 23, 2009 . . . . Tension between presidents and the press is as old as the Republic. FDR was so incensed by the war reporting of one New York Daily News correspondent he tried to present him with an Iron Cross from Nazi Germany. John Kennedy tried to get New York Timesman David Halberstam pulled out of Vietnam; and Vice-President Spiro Agnew's assaults on the network press is legendary.

    "We have more than our share of nattering nabobs of negativism," Agnew said.

    What gives this dust-up special irony is that FOX News success comes in no small part from its ability to convince its viewers that the "mainstream" media are slanted to the left. Now, the White House is arguing that the network is not a real news organization at all, and that has brought some mainstream media voices to its defense.

    There's no question that FOX's prime-time voices come from the right. Moreover, its owner, Rupert Murdoch is a staunch conservative, and its first and only CEO, Roger Ailes, is a veteran of Republican media wars.

    But MSNBC in prime-time has its own lineup of commentators - all of whom are on the left side of the spectrum, some of whom met with the president the White House this week.

    So why is the White House out to "de-legitimize" FOX? Not because it has opinions, but because its opinion voices are so hostile to Mr. Obama - and because FOX News is, as it has been for a decade, by far the most watched of the cable news networks. . . . .

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/preside...with-fox-news/
    Yes, I'll gladly concede that Trump sucks, and sucks mightily -- but he sucks on a scale long established by his predecessors in the Oval Office. He's not some heretofore undiscovered species of suckiness.
    I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

  • #2
    Well, gotta give Trump credit for having a spine, unlike Obama and other recent presidents when it comes to the press. Trump is a world-class troll and grade A A-hole with a capital A-HOLE, but you got to give him credit... He doesn't back down from a fight whether he or anyone else started it.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by slick_miester View Post


      Yes, I'll gladly concede that Trump sucks, and sucks mightily -- but he sucks on a scale long established by his predecessors in the Oval Office. He's not some heretofore undiscovered species of suckiness.
      I reckon Stormy sucks even more.

      Rimshot!

      "It's like shooting rats in a barrel."
      "You'll be in a barrel if you don't watch out for the fighters!"

      "Talking about airplanes is a very pleasant mental disease."
      — Sergei(son of Igor) Sikorsky, 'AOPA Pilot' magazine February 2003.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by At ease View Post

        Rimshot!
        That costs extra.....

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        • #5
          Well, in many ways the MSM is proving Trump right. Today hundreds of news outlets got together and produced in various media op ed pieces uniformly bashing Trump for bashing them. For Trump and his supporters, this will simply be another proof of what he's claiming: That the MSM is a cabal of TDS haters out to get him. They gave him just what he wanted.

          A few outlets were smart enough to see this for what it is, like The Hill or Los Angeles Times. They refused to play regardless of what their opinion of Trump is. Trump bated the MSM and they swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.

          Probably the stupidest of the stupid was CNN with their claim "If the media speaks with one voice, Trump will have to listen..." Yea, sure he will... The people over at CNN are friggin' (persons of diminished mental capacity, word starting with "r") if they really think that. There's no other way to put how utterly stupid and myopically vapid that statement is.

          It's The Hill that got it right. It's a "Bash Trump" day and the MSM looks like nothing more than shills for the Democrats and an opposition political party for it. Well, given their newsrooms are like 75 to 90% Democrats, I'd say that's a pretty good description.

          Read the whining here:

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/sp...cid=spartandhp

          The MSM got played like a fiddle this time and they screwed the pooch with their response.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
            Well, gotta give Trump credit for having a spine, unlike Obama and other recent presidents when it comes to the press. Trump is a world-class troll and grade A A-hole with a capital A-HOLE, but you got to give him credit... He doesn't back down from a fight whether he or anyone else started it.
            As I was pumping out that last post, a thought occurred to me: to date, despite all the bluster, Trump's White House hasn't actually moved to deny credentials to any of the journalists who normally attend White House press briefings, as opposed to what Obama's White House did to Fox News personnel. What if all of Trump's talk about the "fake media" is not actually representative of Trump's personal feelings, but is meant only to inflame his base's passions against the "elitist, East Coast media"? Barry Goldwater's campaign often took swipes at the "Eastern Liberal Media," as did vice-president Spiro Agnew, who protested the treatment that the Nixon administration received from the "“closed fraternity of privileged men,"” and the "East Coast Media Establishment." (Notice the repetition of "East Coast" and "liberal," epithets for both New York, and for Jews.) Is Trump's "war against the media" really nothing more than red meat for his dogs, click-bait for the faithful -- and unlike in Nixon's time, this war is now winnable due to the prevalence of social media?

            https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...istory/283149/
            https://www.huffingtonpost.com/evan-...b_7553800.html

            Originally posted by At ease View Post

            I reckon Stormy sucks even more.

            Rimshot!
            I'm sure that she does. Just one thing to keep in mind: when Stormy sucks you, she might just give you a little something extra that you weren't expecting. Better have a doctor check that out.

            It's enough to make you wonder what The Donald was thinking when he poked her.
            I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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            • #7
              Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

              As I was pumping out that last post, a thought occurred to me: to date, despite all the bluster, Trump's White House hasn't actually moved to deny credentials to any of the journalists who normally attend White House press briefings, as opposed to what Obama's White House did to Fox News personnel. What if all of Trump's talk about the "fake media" is not actually representative of Trump's personal feelings, but is meant only to inflame his base's passions against the "elitist, East Coast media"? Barry Goldwater's campaign often took swipes at the "Eastern Liberal Media," as did vice-president Spiro Agnew, who protested the treatment that the Nixon administration received from the "“closed fraternity of privileged men,"” and the "East Coast Media Establishment." (Notice the repetition of "East Coast" and "liberal," epithets for both New York, and for Jews.) Is Trump's "war against the media" really nothing more than red meat for his dogs, click-bait for the faithful -- and unlike in Nixon's time, this war is now winnable due to the prevalence of social media?

              https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...istory/283149/
              https://www.huffingtonpost.com/evan-...b_7553800.html
              I kind of answered that. Trump is playing the press like a fiddle. He has got them hair-on-fire all riled up and acting like poo flinging chimpanzees being taunted by visitors at a zoo. Revoke their credentials? Given Trump's temperament, he's probably eating this up as it keeps the lime light on him center stage.


              I'm sure that she does. Just one thing to keep in mind: when Stormy sucks you, she might just give you a little something extra that you weren't expecting. Better have a doctor check that out.

              It's enough to make you wonder what The Donald was thinking when he poked her.
              Question: When it's Stormy out does it suck or blow? And, how wet do you end up?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

                As I was pumping out that last post, a thought occurred to me: to date, despite all the bluster, Trump's White House hasn't actually moved to deny credentials to any of the journalists who normally attend White House press briefings, as opposed to what Obama's White House did to Fox News personnel.
                You might want to check your recollections - Obama attempted to do so, but did not carry the threat out.

                https://www.quora.com/Did-Obama-real...edia-briefings


                Trump did exclude CNN

                https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...aitlan-collins

                and others

                https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ng-sean-spicer

                and there some to be issues at the Pentagon

                https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...overage-779276






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                • #9
                  Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                  I kind of answered that. Trump is playing the press like a fiddle. He has got them hair-on-fire all riled up and acting like poo flinging chimpanzees being taunted by visitors at a zoo. Revoke their credentials? Given Trump's temperament, he's probably eating this up as it keeps the lime light on him center stage.
                  Kinda-sorta. You've actually answered my next question: since the mainstream media turned Trump into a coast-to-coast household world -- thanks to that idiotic "reality" show The Apprentice -- is the media now overreacting in the other direction out of an unspoken but overwhelming sense of guilt for having elevated a silver-spoon nonentity into the Oval Office?

                  Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                  Question: When it's Stormy out does it suck or blow? And, how wet do you end up?
                  All I know is that she's a walking talking petri dish with size J t*ts.
                  I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
                    Here's a piece that confirms my view of Pres Trump and his rhetoric: he's not revolutionary, merely evolutionary. Trump is no doubt less subtle than his predecessors, but in a substantive sense, they're pretty darn close.



                    Yes, I'll gladly concede that Trump sucks, and sucks mightily -- but he sucks on a scale long established by his predecessors in the Oval Office. He's not some heretofore undiscovered species of suckiness.
                    The so-called Fourth Estate has been making war on Trump's administration since he took office, but once he starts fighting back they can't handle it and it becomes a major issue?

                    Bunch of wussies...

                    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                      The so-called Fourth Estate has been making war on Trump's administration since he took office, but once he starts fighting back they can't handle it and it becomes a major issue?

                      Bunch of wussies...

                      Couldn't have said it better!
                      Trying hard to be the Man, that my Dog believes I am!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                        The so-called Fourth Estate has been making war on Trump's administration since he took office, but once he starts fighting back they can't handle it and it becomes a major issue?

                        Bunch of wussies...

                        But when his friends on Fox and Friends start laying into him he may of gone to far.

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                        • #13
                          A free press, as well as an independent judiciary are indicators, as well as guarantors of democracy. James Madison had something to say about that.

                          I would say the wuss in the room is Trump, and that is aside from the fact that he is a draft dodger but revels in military parades.

                          His treatment and characterization of the news media, as 'the enemy of the people' is monstrous and is also a very large load of BS. Trump is wrong here, as he is with just about every other subject, and needs to knock it off and actually attempt to act like a president.

                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

                          The Senate does not agree with Trump on the media at all:

                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

                          https://money.cnn.com/2018/08/16/med...als/index.html

                          Trump may have opened a can that he can't handle at all:

                          https://money.cnn.com/2018/08/15/med...ump/index.html

                          We are not now that strength which in old days
                          Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                          Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                          To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Massena View Post
                            A free press, as well as an independent judiciary are indicators, as well as guarantors of democracy. James Madison had something to say about that.

                            I would say the wuss in the room is Trump, and that is aside from the fact that he is a draft dodger but revels in military parades.

                            His treatment and characterization of the news media, as 'the enemy of the people' is monstrous and is also a very large load of BS. Trump is wrong here, as he is with just about every other subject, and needs to knock it off and actually attempt to act like a president.

                            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

                            The Senate does not agree with Trump on the media at all:

                            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

                            https://money.cnn.com/2018/08/16/med...als/index.html

                            Trump may have opened a can that he can't handle at all:

                            https://money.cnn.com/2018/08/15/med...ump/index.html
                            Couple of things, Mass:

                            - the traditional relationship between the Fourth Estate and the political class in this country has been symbiotic, in that the politicos need the media to make them look good, and the media need the politicos to make stories. They live off each other. The tone was set early on, when Thos Jefferson invited James Callender to work out of the State Dept offices, and Alexander Hamilton founded The New York Post, Rupert Murdoch's first major media acquisition in the United States. In short, the "freedom" that our press enjoys has usually been notional only. In reality, their normal position is partisan.

                            - The question in today's environment is, can Trump win his battle against the press? Does social media give Trump enough of a platform that his base now enjoys a true alternative to traditional media? Only time will tell, but keep this in mind: eight years ago Barack Obama was a political revolutionary for his campaign's innovative use of social media

                            http://adage.com/article/special-rep...ictory/135558/

                            but now he warns us of social media's pitfalls:

                            https://www.politico.eu/article/obam...ial-media-use/

                            even as liberal outlets like the Washington Post regularly criticized his administration for its lack of transparency, and how social media assisted in that endeavor.

                            https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...=.39f592343d69

                            Trump is about as subtle as a hammer on your big toe, but he's definitely not an original thinker. The ground was paved by his predecessors. All Trump is doing now is taking advantage of the work done by guys named Clinton and Bush and Obama is all. As scary as this sounds, Trump is the logical result from the examples set by those three clowns, especially Clinton. The precedents that he set during his eight years in the White House were stomach churning, and without a doubt injurious to our republic. The American people knowingly elected to the presidency a man who veritably boasted of his utter lack of a moral center. Have we any right to be surprised that a scumbag even more brash than that now sits in the Oval Office? I think not.
                            Last edited by slick_miester; 16 Aug 18, 15:32.
                            I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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                            • #15
                              Yea, but at least Trump won't loot the White House when he leaves... He likely finds the furnishings too tacky for his own garish lack of taste.

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