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  • #46
    Nothing horrible here. Turkey is the best exemple for the ME.
    There are no Nazis in Ukraine. Idiots

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    • #47
      Originally posted by ljadw View Post
      In 1960, there was a coup in SJ's Utopia (Turkey ) and the PM was hanged with two of his ministers, 20 years later there was a new coup ,50 people were executed and 650000 were arrested.
      Later there were'' incidents'' in 1971,1993,1997,2003,2004 and 2007, not forgetting what happened in 2016 .
      That's the country that SJ is recommemding us as the US of the ME .
      Part of growing pains even in civil countries, but does not compare to the violence of the Israel-Palestine conflict.

      https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...raeli-conflict


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      • #48
        Originally posted by Massena View Post

        Turkey and the US are not alike politically nor are the two governments similar. Turkey had an attempted coup two years ago and many people were jailed without warrant or proof. Erdogan has become essentially a dictator and freedom of the press has been suppressed.

        All governments are fallible and make errors, just as heads of state do. But the resilience of systems of government, especially in western democracies, which Turkey is not, is what is important.
        Kevin, we disagree on certain domestic issues, but not here.

        I am quite concerned about Incerlik. The nukes stored there, if they stiil are, are the number one concern.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by Gixxer86g View Post

          Kevin, we disagree on certain domestic issues, but not here.

          I am quite concerned about Incerlik. The nukes stored there, if they stiil are, are the number one concern.
          +1 here!
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          • #50
            I don't think anyone except the turks like where turkey is heading with erdogan. Given that the economy is about to crash the turks might soon change their minds as well.
            Wisdom is personal

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            • #51
              Originally posted by pamak View Post

              Israel also has two under its belt: One during the Suez Crisis and one during the 1967 Six Day War.
              I do not count Lebanon...
              The Six day war was not a war of aggression.
              The Eqyptians blockaded Israeli ports in May 1967 and mobilised their army. Blockading a country's ports is an act of war. The Israeli response was entirely legitimate. Not aggression.

              same applies to 1956 Egypt blocked the straits to Israeli ships, an act of war. So your two examples are false.
              Last edited by Surrey; 14 Aug 18, 14:00.
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              • #52
                The Six-Day War was a preemptive attack by the Israelis against nations that were preparing for war against them. That isn't aggression, that is self-defense.
                We are not now that strength which in old days
                Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Surrey View Post
                  The Six day war was not a war of aggression.
                  The Eqyptians blockaded Israeli ports in May 1967 and mobilised their army. Blockading a country's ports is an act of war. The Israeli response was entirely legitimate. Not aggression.
                  There had been similar tensions in the past without an all out war: See the events in 1960

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotem_Crisis
                  My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by pamak View Post

                    There had been similar tensions in the past without an all out war: See the events in 1960

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotem_Crisis
                    The Soviets were forcing a war Israel had to act first or else suffer even more before the Arab countries attacked first.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by pamak View Post

                      There had been similar tensions in the past without an all out war: See the events in 1960

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotem_Crisis
                      The legal Causus Belli was the blockade. The mobilisation gave further justification and the requirement for a rapid response.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Surrey View Post

                        The legal Causus Belli was the blockade. The mobilisation gave further justification and the requirement for a rapid response.
                        Funny that you talk about the blockade giving justification for war. I assume that this is not the case when Gaza is under siege for years!
                        My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Snowshoveler View Post

                          The Soviets were forcing a war Israel had to act first or else suffer even more before the Arab countries attacked first.
                          Soviets again ? Wow. Are you sure that there is no Soviets udner your bed ?
                          There are no Nazis in Ukraine. Idiots

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by pamak View Post

                            Funny that you talk about the blockade giving justification for war. I assume that this is not the case when Gaza is under siege for years!
                            When the whole world wants to murder every single one of you, you are entitled to do whatever it takes. Difference is that you never here the Israelis whining about it.
                            Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                            • #59
                              And why the whole world wants to murder you ?
                              There are no Nazis in Ukraine. Idiots

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Emtos View Post

                                Soviets again ? Wow. Are you sure that there is no Soviets udner your bed ?
                                The sheer ignorance is strong in you amateur.

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