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  • #31
    Originally posted by Massena View Post
    Interestingly, I have seen it reported that the Russians are or were helping the Iranians with their nuclear power efforts-the same people that brought you Chernobyl...
    Actually, while a disaster, I would find a meltdown to be a (marginally) acceptable result of an Iranian nuclear program. At least it would be rendering a swath of their country uninhabitable instead of someone else's country from a bomb.
    Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Emtos View Post

      You should check under your bed for Russians. Or may be you already did ?.
      Yes I did, three times today already, our Media and DemocRats tell us daily that they are in every facet of my life.
      Trying hard to be the Man, that my Dog believes I am!

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Massena View Post

        Israel is an ally, undoubtedly the most reliable one in the Middle East. Iran also declares us 'the great satan' and they took our embassy people hostage in 1979. They also might be, especially since Trump reneged on the nuclear agreement, a budding nuclear power which spells trouble.
        Israel is a country though that does not support equality among man, Civil laws in the USA can compare to one Middle eastern country only, that is Turkey.

        Israel like Saudi and Iran is ran by religious bigots. Otoh the common Israeli, Saudi and Iranian man want freedom as they know the true ways of Judaism and Islam. Thats just a fact...and damn those Americans waiving their Israeli flags...why dont they stand for American freedom instead of waiving their Israeli flags?

        Bonaparte and Joan of Arc would have been against modern Israel while supporting the Israel Jews standing for liberal values. Millions of Israel Jews true to their religion want change in Israel.
        Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
        Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

        George S Patton

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        • #34
          And the head of state in Turkey is turning out to be a dictator...

          Being Jewish is a race as well as a religion. It is the only one that is both. And many Jews don't practice their religion.
          We are not now that strength which in old days
          Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
          Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
          To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Trung Si View Post


            Yes I did, three times today already, our Media and DemocRats tell us daily that they are in every facet of my life
            Really?

            Just a little bit of an exaggeration, don't you think?

            We are not now that strength which in old days
            Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
            Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
            To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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            • #36
              Iranians Saudis and Israelis have a ton in common. They all majority wise oppose the ruthless and intolerant rules of their gov.


              The USA allies with Saudi Arabia a country which does not allow women equal rights. The USA allies with Israel a country which does not allow interfaith marriage. Much of this goes back to the WW2 era, the 1940s and a bit after WW2. FDR was not pro Israel nor Pro Palestine but was like the other Americans of his time, a hero which stood up to the Third Reich, a hero which stood for equality among man. Had FDR lived on past WW2 the middle east today would clearly be liberal and free, and the spirit of freedom we see today in Turkey would be found all over the Middle east.
              Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
              Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

              George S Patton

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Massena View Post
                And the head of state in Turkey is turning out to be a dictator...

                Being Jewish is a race as well as a religion. It is the only one that is both. And many Jews don't practice their religion.
                Turkey like the USA currently has leadership that has made errors in numerous ways. But the foundation of Turkey and the USA is based on equality and greatness.

                A UN report conducted after WW2 by the worlds greatest scientists shows race is a myth. Anyone can be Jewish, there is no race, no white or black race, no Jewish or Japanese race.

                Israel like Saudi and Iran, have Governments that promote inequality among man . But the peoples of these countries...the masses, want freedom.
                Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                George S Patton

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Massena View Post

                  Really?

                  Just a little bit of an exaggeration, don't you think?
                  Yes, but It's Sarcasm and if you can't understand that, I can't help you, you're on your own!
                  Trying hard to be the Man, that my Dog believes I am!

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
                    Had FDR lived on past WW2 the middle east today would clearly be liberal and free,and

                    the spirit of freedom we see today in Turkey would be found all over the Middle east.
                    Liberal and free are excluding each other .
                    How much do you receive every moth from Erdogan for this propaganda ? I hope for you that you are paid in $,as the lira becomes worthless .

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post


                      Israel like Saudi and Iran, have Governments that promote inequality among man . But the peoples of these countries...the masses, want freedom.
                      How do you know ? Are you an expert about Israel,Saoudi and Iran ?
                      Muslims want no freedom, they are hostile to freedom . Freedom is a western notion .

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post


                        A UN report conducted after WW2 by the worlds greatest scientists shows race is a myth. Anyone can be Jewish, there is no race, no white or black race, no Jewish or Japanese race.
                        Source? And who came up with that nonsense? What does the 'report' actually say?

                        There most certainly are converts to Judaism, but ethnic Jews inherit their 'Jewishness' from the mother.

                        We are not now that strength which in old days
                        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

                          Turkey like the USA currently has leadership that has made errors in numerous ways. But the foundation of Turkey and the USA is based on equality and greatness.
                          Turkey and the US are not alike politically nor are the two governments similar. Turkey had an attempted coup two years ago and many people were jailed without warrant or proof. Erdogan has become essentially a dictator and freedom of the press has been suppressed.

                          All governments are fallible and make errors, just as heads of state do. But the resilience of systems of government, especially in western democracies, which Turkey is not, is what is important.

                          We are not now that strength which in old days
                          Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                          Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                          To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

                            Israel like Saudi and Iran, have Governments that promote inequality among man . But the peoples of these countries...the masses, want freedom.
                            Israel is a parliamentary democracy and has universal suffrage. Its legal system is based on English common law, civil law, and Jewish law, which means equality before the law for all of its citizens-Jews, Arabs, and Druse.

                            We are not now that strength which in old days
                            Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                            Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                            To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Massena View Post

                              Israel is a parliamentary democracy and has universal suffrage. Its legal system is based on English common law, civil law, and Jewish law, which means equality before the law for all of its citizens-Jews, Arabs, and Druse.
                              Well now at least partner you and Iljadw agree on something , that is apparently support of Israel. Good you guys are getting along and maybe can realize its millions of people of the middle east whom are the ones that would also want you to support change for the better in the middle east.

                              Probably the best way to view Israel/Palestine is to disagree with both the Israeli Gov as well as the Palestinian Gov representatives. This is how millions of Muslims and Jews of Israel/Palestine feel about the situation. I have real world experience here I have meant with many Palestinians who themselves have worked with Israels. In my lines of work I have been able to speak with a good many Muslims and Jews whom clearly support equality and want change in the middle east.

                              What can be said is that the USA has a doubled standard toward Israel/Saudi compared to Iran.

                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_law

                              That is not similar to US Law. Israel does not provide equality to the people. Its a matter of taking a stand, and the weak leadership of Israel is unwilling to do the right thing by bringing in equal civil laws. As time goes on though Israeli liberals will hopefully gain power in their country and along with Palestinian liberals will be able to address the one or two state solution. . Its not just the fact that Israel like Saudi Arabia and Iran has unequal civil laws....there is also the Israel Palestine situation as well, that is a bad ordeal and nothing of the likes is seen in the USA.

                              Turkish law otoh is similar to US law. What beautiful people the Turks are standing for the legacy of Ataturk. It may be that Erdogan like Trump is acting Authoritarian in some ways, but in the end its the American people and Turkish people which put both of these men into power. Still even with folks like Erdogan and Trump in power, only a revoultion can change the ways of countries like the USA and Turkey. Turkey does have a history of attempted coups, and that is a difference between Turkey and the USA,

                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkis..._d%27%C3%A9tat

                              Even with the coups though Turkey still has the best civil laws in the middle east. This is due to Ataturks popularity among Turks whom supported or opposed the gov in power.

                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_civil_code_(1926)

                              And yes there is no race, no Jewish, white black or Japanese race.

                              In 1950, the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) issued a statement asserting that all humans belong to the same species and that “race” is not a biological reality but a myth. This was a summary of the findings of an international panel of anthropologists, geneticists, sociologists, and psychologists.

                              https://www.newsweek.com/there-no-su...ng-race-283123
                              Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                              Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                              George S Patton

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                              • #45
                                In 1960, there was a coup in SJ's Utopia (Turkey ) and the PM was hanged with two of his ministers, 20 years later there was a new coup ,50 people were executed and 650000 were arrested.
                                Later there were'' incidents'' in 1971,1993,1997,2003,2004 and 2007, not forgetting what happened in 2016 .
                                That's the country that SJ is recommemding us as the US of the ME .

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