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  • Originally posted by 101combatvet View Post

    Those sources are the worse ones, keep trying at some point you might learn something.
    The worse ones are the anonymous sources which try to convince us that Kurdistan is independent! Most probably they try to justify to you the failure of the US policy to back up the Kurds' independence in the region. Keep spreading fake new...
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    • Originally posted by pamak View Post

      The worse ones are the anonymous sources which try to convince us that Kurdistan is independent! Most probably they try to justify to you the failure of the US policy to back up the Kurds' independence in the region. Keep spreading fake new...
      I never said that. You have an English language problem.
      My worst jump story:
      My 13th jump was on the 13th day of the month, aircraft number 013.
      As recorded on my DA Form 1307 Individual Jump Log.
      No lie.

      ~
      "Everything looks all right. Have a good jump, eh."
      -2 Commando Jumpmaster

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      • Originally posted by 101combatvet View Post

        I never said that. You have an English language problem.
        If Kurdistan is not under an effective Iraqi control (as you clearly implied)
        https://forums.armchairgeneral.com/f...22#post5055922
        then there is no reason not to have Kurdistan being independent. There is a reason why the Kurds could not enforce the result of the referendum.
        Last edited by pamak; 17 Aug 18, 21:39.
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        • Originally posted by pamak View Post

          If Kurdistan is not under an effective Iraqi control (as you clearly implied)
          https://forums.armchairgeneral.com/f...22#post5055922
          then there is no reason not to have Kurdistan being independent. There is a reason why the Kurds could not enforce the result of the referendum.
          It's not even worth explaining anything to you. Have a nice night.
          My worst jump story:
          My 13th jump was on the 13th day of the month, aircraft number 013.
          As recorded on my DA Form 1307 Individual Jump Log.
          No lie.

          ~
          "Everything looks all right. Have a good jump, eh."
          -2 Commando Jumpmaster

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          • Originally posted by pamak View Post

            The reports that Kurdistan is not independent despite the referendum should be enough to prove my point that Iraq is still in control. Also, with respect to exaggerations and inaccurate reports about the situation in Iraq, the US military has its fair share of blame. So, unless you show details, you are just gasping at straws to prove your point. I used multiple sources from different sources including humanitarian organizations and Kurdish sources and all post to the same conclusion. You are clueless....
            If Iraq is still controlling Kurdistan, why are the Iranians and the Turks still there ?
            If you need foreign armies to control a part of your country,these foreign armies are in control,not you .

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            • From the number 2 and 3 of Pamak's favourites (the number 1,the Pravda, no longer exists )

              July 2015 : NYT : Iran dominates in Iraq,after US handed over the country .

              August 17 2017 : The Independent : Can anyone stop Iran from taking over Iraq ?

              And,from the ISIS Middle East Monitor March 7 2018 :Tehran says the nature of the presence of its forces (in Syria and Iraq ) is '' advisory '' .

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              • Originally posted by ljadw View Post

                If Iraq is still controlling Kurdistan, why are the Iranians and the Turks still there ?
                If you need foreign armies to control a part of your country,these foreign armies are in control,not you .
                Because all these countries have a common interest in prohibiting the emergence of an independent Kurdish state, and Iraq welcomes any help that serves its interests. The second sentence is just a claim without evidence to support it. As long as the US is Iraq's ally and Iran's adversary, Iran cannot just exert control in Kurdistan inside Iraq.
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                • Originally posted by ljadw View Post
                  From the number 2 and 3 of Pamak's favourites (the number 1,the Pravda, no longer exists )

                  July 2015 : NYT : Iran dominates in Iraq,after US handed over the country .

                  August 17 2017 : The Independent : Can anyone stop Iran from taking over Iraq ?

                  And,from the ISIS Middle East Monitor March 7 2018 :Tehran says the nature of the presence of its forces (in Syria and Iraq ) is '' advisory '' .
                  The first reference is way way older than the events we are talking about. The same is true with the second reference. In addition, the second link talks about potential outcomes and not actual results. Finally, the last reference is current, and of course, it does not mention anything about Iran controlling Kurdistan.
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                  • Originally posted by pamak View Post

                    The first reference is way way older than the events we are talking about. The same is true with the second reference. In addition, the second link talks about potential outcomes and not actual results. Finally, the last reference is current, and of course, it does not mention anything about Iran controlling Kurdistan.
                    You should candidate for Congress ,the swamp likes people who dodge questions .
                    Last year, the Independent said that Iran was taking over Iraq . Potential outcomes ,it is reality , not a potential outcome .

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                    • Originally posted by pamak View Post

                      Because all these countries have a common interest in prohibiting the emergence of an independent Kurdish state, and Iraq welcomes any help that serves its interests. The second sentence is just a claim without evidence to support it. As long as the US is Iraq's ally and Iran's adversary, Iran cannot just exert control in Kurdistan inside Iraq.
                      Prove that US is still the ally of Iraq ?

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                      • Originally posted by ljadw View Post

                        You should candidate for Congress ,the swamp likes people who dodge questions .
                        Last year, the Independent said that Iran was taking over Iraq . Potential outcomes ,it is reality , not a potential outcome .
                        Nope! YOU TRIED to pass it as "reality." The article did not present it as such! I assume this is why you did to want to post the link here...
                        My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                        • Originally posted by ljadw View Post

                          Prove that US is still the ally of Iraq ?

                          We still have troops there, and I do not think that we launched a second invasion there, right?

                          But more
                          importantly, the US is CLEARLY Iran's adversary , and THIS is an additional reason to refute your claim that Iran has established control in Kurdistan. Ironically, it seems you try to argue that Trump has suffered a defeat in the region, and we are not aware of it....
                          My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                          • Originally posted by pamak View Post


                            We still have troops there, and I do not think that we launched a second invasion there, right?

                            But more
                            importantly, the US is CLEARLY Iran's adversary , and THIS is an additional reason to refute your claim that Iran has established control in Kurdistan. Ironically, it seems you try to argue that Trump has suffered a defeat in the region, and we are not aware of it....
                            US has also forces in Syria ,thus ....

                            And Iran invaded Iraq when US (= BHO ) had mainly left Iraq and, as far as I know, US forces did not occupy Kurdistan after the fall of Saddam.
                            US has not the power to expel Iran from Kurdistan (there are only a few thousand of US military in Iraq with as task the training of the Iraqi army ) , and, why should it do it ? While the US are fighting against Iran in Syria, there is for the monent no fighting between US and Iran in Iraq.

                            Turkey,OTOH, a staunch henchman of Iran, occupies 20 villages in Amedi and 8 in Soran .
                            If the Iranians are in Kurdistan without the consent of Iraq, it is an invasion .
                            If they are in Kurdistan with the consent of Iraq, this means that without their presence, Kurdistan would become independent and that Bagdad is unable to control Kurdistan

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                            • Originally posted by ljadw View Post

                              US has also forces in Syria ,thus ....

                              And Iran invaded Iraq when US (= BHO ) had mainly left Iraq and, as far as I know, US forces did not occupy Kurdistan after the fall of Saddam.
                              US has not the power to expel Iran from Kurdistan (there are only a few thousand of US military in Iraq with as task the training of the Iraqi army ) , and, why should it do it ? While the US are fighting against Iran in Syria, there is for the monent no fighting between US and Iran in Iraq.

                              Turkey,OTOH, a staunch henchman of Iran, occupies 20 villages in Amedi and 8 in Soran .
                              If the Iranians are in Kurdistan without the consent of Iraq, it is an invasion .
                              If they are in Kurdistan with the consent of Iraq, this means that without their presence, Kurdistan would become independent and that Bagdad is unable to control Kurdistan
                              Iran did not invade Kurdistan. It actually helped the Iraqis fight successfully ISIS which is the reason why it gained influence and respect in the region.

                              Also, you speculate and while you tell me to prove my points, you refuse to prove yours. If Turkey was not in Kurdistan, Iraq could still have control of Kurdistan. We do not know how things could have changed. In addition, even though the US does not have the power to expel Iran from Kurdistan ((or more accurately diminish its influence), since the decision rests with Iraqis, the US STILL has the power to expose Iran's actions. As we can see Trump is quite hostile to Iran. Therefore, the idea that Iran has managed to dominate in Kurdistan while the US has basically remained silent UNDER TRUMP, is absurd!,All we can see is that Iran has gained influence in Kurdistan (with the consent of the Iraqi governnent). Also, the fact that the Kurdish press (as I showed) criticizes Iraq and its effort to relocate Arabs (and not Persians) in the region shows that the Kurdish perceive that Iraq is their main problem. Even if you do not believe in the accuracy of the Kurdish Press, the simple fact of choosing Iraq as their target shows their perspective.
                              Last edited by pamak; 18 Aug 18, 17:09.
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                              • Originally posted by pamak View Post

                                Because all these countries have a common interest in prohibiting the emergence of an independent Kurdish state, and Iraq welcomes any help that serves its interests. The second sentence is just a claim without evidence to support it. As long as the US is Iraq's ally and Iran's adversary, Iran cannot just exert control in Kurdistan inside Iraq.
                                Iran probably isn't concerned with a Kurdish independent state. Actually, they might unofficially support it.
                                My worst jump story:
                                My 13th jump was on the 13th day of the month, aircraft number 013.
                                As recorded on my DA Form 1307 Individual Jump Log.
                                No lie.

                                ~
                                "Everything looks all right. Have a good jump, eh."
                                -2 Commando Jumpmaster

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