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Originally posted by Bow View PostThis man?? is bloody dangerous and libel to start WW3........But dont worry MM or AJ we are all to old to get drafted.....the great grand kids can do that
Trump really doesn't even have anyone to start WW 3 with.
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Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
Not compared to past Presidents. JFK was probably the worst at that. He came within a hare's breath of starting WW 3 at least twice in his short time in office.
Trump really doesn't even have anyone to start WW 3 with.
If you're thinking about the Cuban Missile Crisis, that one had to be done or we would be under Russia's thumb right now.
As for Trump, he inherited a crap bucket full of conflicts left behind by the Ayatollah Obama.Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
JFK did not embroil us in a ten year meaningless war for nothing in Viet Nam. He knew to pull out. LBJ, the flaming ego from Texas, owns that war.
If you're thinking about the Cuban Missile Crisis, that one had to be done or we would be under Russia's thumb right now.
As for Trump, he inherited a crap bucket full of conflicts left behind by the Ayatollah Obama.
Kennedy also was involved in the Berlin crisis. During that one, he ordered the US Berlin brigade to begin deploying the several hundred Davy Crocketts they had in storage.
Both times the world came within one or two men's mistake with a nuke and WW 3 starting.
LBJ and Vietnam was a major fiasco. Up through Kennedy that had been kept low key with just advisors and a few Green Beret in country. Johnson turned it into a full-blown war with the lie of the Gulf of Tonkin incident.
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Originally posted by lodestar View PostSurely by now all decent US conservatives must find Trump a reckless, appallingly naïve, boorish, and vulgar dupe?
In the lead-up to the election I did on many occasions express my liking for Trump. ......................AS AN ENTERTAINER !
That’s still essentially what he is - he really treats his ‘job’ as another reality show he’s staring in.
He always seems to make it about him and loves every minute of the attention, lapping up the fear and loathing he deliberately generates.
He plays to his base in way no other incumbent ever has, regularly feeding them a new dish of red meat to keep them compliant.
Why the continuing rallies if he won?
I get that he wants to have a totally different approach to previous occupants of the White House and clean out the ‘swamp’ his supporters think Washington is full of.
He’s deliberately and I’m’ sure to many of his acolytes, deliciously divisive.
All of which may make him a great ‘operator’ to those who have joined his personality cult.
But as a real president….Come on!!
He’s embarrassing and cringe - worthy.
Not just to those who voted against him (the majority of those who voted) and the GOP but to a sizeable body of people who see themselves as proper and decent conservatives.
This latest episode, Trump’s guest appearance on the Vladimir Putin All-Stars Show must mean that for all half-decent, true-American conservatives that enough is enough!
Bizarre!
A US president backing a malignant, Machiavellian, Stalin-admiring, ‘Scorpion King’ of a dictator over his own intelligence agencies!
This just after interfering in UK politics, a faux-pas with the queen and confusing NATO members about whose side the US ultimately is on.
Sheesh……Surely a debate about impeachment (whether you believe it a political or legal process) must now move to centre stage.
Can’t have a Manchurian candidate in the White House folks, that’s just in the movies.
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lodestar
"Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be a ugly brawl."
--Frederick II, King of Prussia
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If Trump is going to be impeached over Helsinki then Obama needs to be imprisoned for Iran. Johnson certainly should have been impeached for the Bay of Tonkin shenanigans.
Calm down it's the art of the deal knuckleheads.
We hunt the hunters
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Originally posted by MonsterZero View Post
Very good analysis of Trump. I think his behavior in Helsinki qualifies for impeachment because a president took an oath with his hand on the Bible.
Nasty personality, alleged incompetence, or "just don't like the person", etc. won't float.TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
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Ben Shapiro is a well respected and established Conservative author-pundit whom has been bluntly critical of Trump. The following has some points of merit;
Shapiro At 'National Review': Trump's Putin Conference Was Disgraceful...But How Much Does It Matter?
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On Monday, President Trump gave a deeply disgraceful press conference with Russian dictator Vladimir Putin. The presser began with Trump announcing that although the Russia–U.S. relationship has “never been worse than it is now,” all of that “changed as of about four hours ago.” It was downhill from there. Trump proceeded to state that he held “both countries responsible” for the deterioration of the relationship, then supported Putin’s argument that Russia hadn’'t interfered in the American election in any way: “I have President Putin, he just said it’s not Russia. I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be. . . . I have confidence in both parties.”
Both parties. One party being a murderous dictator, and the other the intelligence community that works for him.
All of which is disgusting, of course.
That doesn'’t mean, as Democrats have suggested, that Trump is in bed with the Russians. Far more likely, it means that Trump’s ego is one giant gaping wound, constantly draining rage over the suggestion that his 2016 election victory was somehow ill-won. To the refusal of former FBI director James Comey to publicly clear him in the collusion investigation, Trump responded by firing Comey; now he’s responded to the Mueller investigation’s indictment of twelve Russian government hackers by proclaiming that Putin might be innocent after all. This isn’t about some nefarious plot. It’s about Trump’s ridiculous ego problem.
None of that acts as justification for Trump’s behavior, of course.
But it does explain why when Trump says stuff, it often doesn'’t matter.
More than a year ago, I wrote in these pages that Americans were beginning to tune Trump out. “Many Americans have been treating Trump as a guy to ignore except when he bothers them, an approach that seems pretty reasonable at this point,” I suggested. But could Trump’s rhetoric make a difference with regard to foreign policy? Over at The New Republic, Jeet Heer criticized that idea that it couldn’'t, stating that “the very nature of our modern world, and the United States’ supremacy, makes it impossible to dismiss an American president’s word.”
But that’s obviously untrue. The rest of the world has already dismissed Trump’s verbiage on various occasions. Last week, for example, he tore into NATO; according to the Wall Street Journal, he even told NATO members that he would “do my own thing” if members didn'’t increase their military spending. What was the upshot? Nothing. Leaders at NATO quickly closed ranks and stated that NATO was as strong as ever, ignoring Trump’s pyrotechnics. They figured, correctly, that Trump’s national-security establishment isn'’t going to facilitate a pullout from NATO and that if they gave him some sort of rhetorical victory, he’d go back to watching Shark Week.
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Again, that’s not a defense of Trump. But it is an argument that the panic induced by his verbiage should be tempered with the knowledge that he says a lot of stuff, and that members of his own administration ignore most of it when it comes time to implement policy. They know it, Putin knows it, and the press knows it. Only Trump seems blissfully unaware of the disconnect between the nonsense he spews and the policy his administration promulgates. In this case, we’re better off for that disconnect.
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...ence-disgrace/TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
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Rand Paul: Hillary Colluded With Russia, Not Trump
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On Wednesday morning, Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) told Fox News' Bill Hemmer that the only person we have evidence of colluding with Russia is twice-failed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, not President Donald Trump.
Sen. Paul made his comments in the aftermath of Trump's controversial meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Paul has been a fierce defender of the president as Trump faces backlash from both sides of the aisle for seemingly suggesting he did not believe U.S. intel agencies about Russian meddling in the 2016 election -- though he walked back the remark on Tuesday.
The senator suggested Trump made the unclear comment because he couldn't, or didn't want to, differentiate between the bogus allegations of Trump-Russia collusion, of which there is no evidence, and general Russian meddling.
"The president sees the Mueller investigation; he sees all these accusations from partisan Democrats, Hillary Clinton, saying 'Oh, he colluded with the Russians,'" explained Paul.
"The only people who we actually know colluded with the Russians were Hillary Clinton who paid a British agent who paid Russians for information for the dossier," he declared, referencing the so-called "Steele dossier" which was funded by Hillary and the DNC.
"He feels like the intelligence community cooked up a political and partisan investigation, but, also, part of the Mueller investigation is something that should have investigated and that is: Who hacked into Hillary Clinton’s emails?" he continued.
"There is part of the Mueller investigation that is legitimate and part of it that is a partisan attack on the president," said Paul, adding that Trump is responded to the part about Trump-Russia collusion.
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/33244...-prestigiacomoTANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
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Originally posted by lodestar View PostSurely by now all decent US conservatives must find Trump a reckless, appallingly naïve, boorish, and vulgar dupe?
Originally posted by lodestar View PostIn the lead-up to the election I did on many occasions express my liking for Trump. ......................AS AN ENTERTAINER !
It's all about ratings, and the MSM loves winners. Trump delivers it.
Originally posted by lodestar View PostThat’s still essentially what he is - he really treats his ‘job’ as another reality show he’s staring in.
Originally posted by lodestar View PostHe always seems to make it about him and loves every minute of the attention, lapping up the fear and loathing he deliberately generates.
Originally posted by lodestar View PostHe plays to his base in way no other incumbent ever has, regularly feeding them a new dish of red meat to keep them compliant.
Why the continuing rallies if he won?
Originally posted by lodestar View PostI get that he wants to have a totally different approach to previous occupants of the White House and clean out the ‘swamp’ his supporters think Washington is full of.
Originally posted by lodestar View PostHe’s deliberately and I’m’ sure to many of his acolytes, deliciously divisive.
All of which may make him a great ‘operator’ to those who have joined his personality cult.
Originally posted by lodestar View PostBut as a real president….Come on!!
It seems to get from bad, really bad, to worse.
Ask yourself, why the American presidential candidate is to be chosen from the Oligarchy ?
They are all filthy rich , aren't they ?
Originally posted by lodestar View PostHe’s embarrassing and cringe - worthy.
Not just to those who voted against him (the majority of those who voted) and the GOP but to a sizeable body of people who see themselves as proper and decent conservatives.
Originally posted by lodestar View PostThis latest episode, Trump’s guest appearance on the Vladimir Putin All-Stars Show must mean that for all half-decent, true-American conservatives that enough is enough!
Bizarre!
A US president backing a malignant, Machiavellian, Stalin-admiring, ‘Scorpion King’ of a dictator over his own intelligence agencies!
This just after interfering in UK politics, a faux-pas with the queen and confusing NATO members about whose side the US ultimately is on.
that really does serve his country, without compromise and wavering ?
Does it not occur to you that you are being hoodwinked by one of the most vile and corrupt MSM ?
Originally posted by lodestar View PostSheesh……Surely a debate about impeachment (whether you believe it a political or legal process) must now move to centre stage.
Can’t have a Manchurian candidate in the White House folks, that’s just in the movies.
Regards
lodestar
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Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
To strive to seek to find and not to yield.
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Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
Not compared to past Presidents. JFK was probably the worst at that. He came within a hare's breath of starting WW 3 at least twice in his short time in office.
Trump really doesn't even have anyone to start WW 3 with."Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
- Benjamin Franklin
The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.
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