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  • #16
    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

    Meanwhile we continue waiting for you to answer the question you have so far avoided:
    what is your major news source. given that you don't like anyone else's?
    My best guess would be, probably Massenas Trump File.
    Trying hard to be the Man, that my Dog believes I am!

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    • #17
      Originally posted by pamak View Post

      Yep,

      I have yet to find a thread explaining why we should trust the non-liberal media.

      And this thread gives one more example of why one should not trust such sources, because all I saw in the OP link was a guy who accused liberal media of editing an interview. And he chose to support his criticism by editing even more heavily the interview
      The way I see it is you use multiple sources. But, like with sources for anything else, there are more credible and less credible ones. CNN, MSNBC, and the WaPo, [I[on their own[/I], are no more credible than Alex Jones' Info Wars or the National Enquirer. It doesn't mean that what they're report is necessarily wrong or inaccurate, but it means that you shouldn't be single sourcing them saying that they are accurate.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

        The way I see it is you use multiple sources. But, like with sources for anything else, there are more credible and less credible ones. CNN, MSNBC, and the WaPo, [I[on their own[/I], are no more credible than Alex Jones' Info Wars or the National Enquirer. It doesn't mean that what they're report is necessarily wrong or inaccurate, but it means that you shouldn't be single sourcing them saying that they are accurate.
        Bold mine

        Based on what metrics?

        Not to mention that I still have not seen why FOX or other supposedly conservative media are more trustworthy than CNN or Alex Jones?

        I say just the fact that the websites of the leftist media you mentioned invite opposition to express its arguments in opinion pieces makes them FAR SUPERIOR to lunatics like Alex Jones. This is one type of metric I use to judge the credibility and willingness of media to present the whole picture instead of promoting only their partisan one.

        Now give me the metric you used to conclude that InfoWars and Alex Jones are on the same level with WaPo or CNN...
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        • #19
          Originally posted by pamak View Post

          Yep,

          I have yet to find a thread explaining why we should trust the non-liberal media.

          And this thread gives one more example of why one should not trust such sources, because all I saw in the OP link was a guy who accused liberal media of editing an interview. And he chose to support his criticism by editing even more heavily the interview
          This kind of reporting counts on people not knowing anything about the subject. Eventually most people will see something they know something about and understand that a good deal of what is presented in the media is propaganda.

          The premise of the article, alt right professor, is a lie, not a mistake, not a bit of unintended bias.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Trung Si View Post

            My best guess would be, probably Massenas Trump File.
            Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post

              This kind of reporting counts on people not knowing anything about the subject. Eventually most people will see something they know something about and understand that a good deal of what is presented in the media is propaganda.

              The premise of the article, alt right professor, is a lie, not a mistake, not a bit of unintended bias.
              I do not know if the premise is a lie. What I do know is that I I certainly did not get any better picture about what the professor says by watching a heavily edited video from a liberal media "critic." I also know that if you edit Spencer's video and present the part when he says that he is not an ant-iSemite. you can as well post it in youtube and accuse his critics who call him anti-Semite of distorting his words...
              Last edited by pamak; 14 Jul 18, 13:50.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by pamak View Post

                Bold mine

                Based on what metrics?

                Not to mention that I still have not seen why FOX or other supposedly conservative media are more trustworthy than CNN or Alex Jones?

                I say just the fact that the websites of the leftist media you mentioned invite opposition to express its arguments in opinion pieces makes them FAR SUPERIOR to lunatics like Alex Jones. This is one type of metric I use to judge the credibility and willingness of media to present the whole picture instead of promoting only their partisan one.

                Now give me the metric you used to conclude that InfoWars and Alex Jones are on the same level with WaPo or CNN...
                Because in FOX's case they aren't regularly caught making $h!+ up, lying on the air, saying out loud to their audience they're partisan as hell, and editing stories that would make Soviet propagandists proud. CNN and MSNBC do that. That's why their ratings are for $h!+.

                Alex Jones is on that level. The WaPo is on that level. FOX isn't, at least not yet.

                As for Leftist websites. Give me some addresses. I'll go over to them and prove you wrong in an instant. The Left wants no part of opposing positions or opinions. I'll get a mountain of vitriol, ad hominems, and direct hostility the second I start posting opinions opposed to the ones Leftists hold.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                  Because in FOX's case they aren't regularly caught making $h!+ up, lying on the air, saying out loud to their audience they're partisan as hell, and editing stories that would make Soviet propagandists proud. CNN and MSNBC do that. That's why their ratings are for $h!+.

                  Alex Jones is on that level. The WaPo is on that level. FOX isn't, at least not yet.

                  As for Leftist websites. Give me some addresses. I'll go over to them and prove you wrong in an instant. The Left wants no part of opposing positions or opinions. I'll get a mountain of vitriol, ad hominems, and direct hostility the second I start posting opinions opposed to the ones Leftists hold.
                  Fox does not regularly make things up?
                  They were promoting the birth certificate conspiracy for YEARS after Obama's election. You see?

                  Unlike you, I talk with examples to support my claims.

                  Do you want a more recent example?

                  Take the conspiracy theory with the murder of Seth Rich

                  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43406393
                  Fox News sued by family of dead Democratic employee


                  The parents of a Democratic party employee who was shot and killed in 2016 are suing Fox News for spreading a conspiracy about his death.

                  After their son Seth Rich died, the cable network made an unsubstantiated link between his death and Wikileaks' disclosure of hacked DNC emails.




                  Now tell me again, who is smoking crack?
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by pamak View Post

                    I do not know if the premise is a lie. What I do know is that I I certainly did not get any better picture about what the professor says by watching a heavily edited video from a liberal media "critic." I also know that if you edit Spencer's video and present the part when he says that he is not ant-iSemitic. you can as well post it in youtube and accuse his critics who call him anti-Semite of distorting his words...
                    It never crossed your mind that you needed to fact check the media? That is the sign of someone totally parasite by ideology and it's propaganda.

                    I fact check Fox all the time and find bias but seldom outright lies. That is despite the fact that their is little difference between neo liberals and neo cons.

                    The fundamental difference here is the left believes that anything is justified in pursuit of ideological hegemony and that people must be controlled by a central authority. Once you have adopted a by any means necessary attitude you are a menace to society.

                    Here is the big lie, most of the people on the left are socialists but since it isn't politically expedient to say it they weasel word around it. They may even tell themselves the lie that control isn't ownership. In contrast most people on the right are not Nazis, which is national socialism anyway. We have tried socialism and it's cousin fascism and found them wanting. Radicalism is bad but the left is trying to hide their populist radicalism by the lie that everyone that disagrees with them is part of a huge alt right movement that doesn't exist. What does exist is a huge alt left hegemony in universities, the media, the teachers unions, unions, the Democratic party, and bureaucracies.
                    We hunt the hunters

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post

                      It never crossed your mind that you needed to fact check the media? That is the sign of someone totally parasite by ideology and it's propaganda.

                      I fact check Fox all the time and find bias but seldom outright lies. That is despite the fact that their is little difference between neo liberals and neo cons.

                      The fundamental difference here is the left believes that anything is justified in pursuit of ideological hegemony and that people must be controlled by a central authority. Once you have adopted a by any means necessary attitude you are a menace to society.

                      Here is the big lie, most of the people on the left are socialists but since it isn't politically expedient to say it they weasel word around it. They may even tell themselves the lie that control isn't ownership. In contrast most people on the right are not Nazis, which is national socialism anyway. We have tried socialism and it's cousin fascism and found them wanting. Radicalism is bad but the left is trying to hide their populist radicalism by the lie that everyone that disagrees with them is part of a huge alt right movement that doesn't exist. What does exist is a huge alt left hegemony in universities, the media, the teachers unions, unions, the Democratic party, and bureaucracies.
                      This is the sign of strawman argument.

                      I did not question fact checking the media. I questioned the way some clowns do it which does not give me the opportunity to actually have a real fact check.

                      Also, you seldom find lies @ Fox?

                      I assume the birth certificate story which was pushed for years and the Seth Rich conspiracy do not count...

                      The fundamental difference here is the conservatives are ready to swallow the claims of every person or channel which criticizes the liberals, even when such critics are clowns...
                      Last edited by pamak; 14 Jul 18, 14:59.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post
                        going way back to Hurst claiming that the Battleship Maine was sunk by a Spanish mine. (Later Investigation proved that the explosion was internal, not from an external source.)
                        The initial investigation found that it was probably caused by a submarine explosion (i.e. mine), but by person or persons unknown. In 1911 a cofferdam was built around the Maine and the water pumped out and the structure and plating examined, and it was again determined that a submarine explosion had been the cause. In 1976, Admiral Hymen G Rickover initiated a third examination with the premise that the explosion was an accident (thus biasing the investigation), which led to the Hanson-Price Report, which stated it was an internal explosion caused by spontaneous combustion in a coal bunker, and is the official Navy explanation. Over the years the H-P Report has come under some heavy criticism as it was factually in error or made unfounded assumptions on some of its primary supporting evidence,e.g. that it was completely wrong about the combustibility of the coal under the conditions that existed at the time of the explosion. In fact the entire question of spontaneous combustion is now openly challenged. So the question of what caused the explosion remains definitively unknown.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post

                          It never crossed your mind that you needed to fact check the media? That is the sign of someone totally parasite by ideology and it's propaganda.

                          I fact check Fox all the time and find bias but seldom outright lies. That is despite the fact that their is little difference between neo liberals and neo cons.

                          ....
                          And just to show the hypocrisy of your post, here is how you fact checked the Seth Rich conspiracy theory that Fox (among other conservative media) promoted


                          https://forums.armchairgeneral.com/f...94#post4502694



                          Originally posted by wolfhnd
                          Seymour Hersh confirms Seth Rich as WikiLeaks email source


                          Last edited by pamak; 14 Jul 18, 15:56.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Massena View Post
                            Any examples you might like to add about CNN, the Washington Post, The New York Times, etc.? Sweeping statements such as the one you have posted are seldom accurate and I have found that people who like to accuse others of lying usually are guilty of it themselves.
                            You're saying that people that like to accuse others of lying are usually guilty of it as well.

                            Incredibly hilarious coming from you.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by pamak View Post

                              Fox does not regularly make things up?
                              They were promoting the birth certificate conspiracy for YEARS after Obama's election. You see?

                              Unlike you, I talk with examples to support my claims.

                              Do you want a more recent example?

                              Take the conspiracy theory with the murder of Seth Rich

                              https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43406393
                              Fox News sued by family of dead Democratic employee


                              The parents of a Democratic party employee who was shot and killed in 2016 are suing Fox News for spreading a conspiracy about his death.

                              After their son Seth Rich died, the cable network made an unsubstantiated link between his death and Wikileaks' disclosure of hacked DNC emails.




                              Now tell me again, who is smoking crack?
                              You.

                              One example doesn't make the case FOX is equivalent to CNN et. al. CNN etc., do this sort of thing all the time it isn't one or two isolated cases. Those happen with any larger news organization. CBS fired people, and Dan Rather resigned over something equivalent to that. FOX retracted the story quickly and apologized. CNN doesn't bother anymore. They ignore the criticism about their lying, contorting, falsifying, or anything else like that. MSNBC and the WaPo do likewise. It doesn't bother them that they get accused or even sued. That's what the National Enquirer does.

                              The simple fact that it was made such a big deal out of should tell you it was unusual and somewhat sensational that it occurred on FOX. CNN utters stupid lies and falsities today? Nobody particularly notices anymore. Everyone pretty much expects it. They've lost credibility.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                                You.

                                One example doesn't make the case FOX is equivalent to CNN et. al. CNN etc., do this sort of thing all the time it isn't one or two isolated cases. Those happen with any larger news organization. CBS fired people, and Dan Rather resigned over something equivalent to that. FOX retracted the story quickly and apologized. CNN doesn't bother anymore. They ignore the criticism about their lying, contorting, falsifying, or anything else like that. MSNBC and the WaPo do likewise. It doesn't bother them that they get accused or even sued. That's what the National Enquirer does.
                                What one example?

                                There are many more examples. I just I gave you 2 examples out of memory that have been promoted for YEARS and nobody was fired or "resigned" as a result of such horrible performance!

                                You cannot dismiss them by saying that they were just two examples,

                                I even recovered posts of members here which actually bought to these conspiracy theories.

                                Also, how many examples did the OP in this thread bring against the "liberal" nbc? I did not see you dismissing the allegations against the channel by asking the poster to bring a list of examples. This shows that you apply double standards when you fact-check media depending on if they are conservative or liberal.



                                PS what were the media you followed that convinced you that there was a massive breach in the case of the Awan brothers which even involved the democrats?

                                what about the massive story of "unmasking" American citizens?

                                What about the Pizzagate?

                                What about the infowars story that they found BLM material in the mass shooter's room in Vegas ?


                                The list is too big!
                                Last edited by pamak; 14 Jul 18, 16:40.
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