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  • #61
    Originally posted by pamak View Post

    Does the SPLC monitor INDIVIDUALS from such organizations? I have no problem if someone monitors the content of certain left or right sites. But when one goes to the next level and starts monitoring individuals who visit and make comments on those sites, then we have a different game. So, the question I asked Exorcist is directed to you too.

    Say, you visit a BLM site and you see a poster laughing about the fact that one of his family friends waits with laxatives the frosting of donuts served to police officers. Is this okay to report such post to right wing organizations to start monitor such individual?
    Yes, the SPLC does monitor individuals and even names names in many cases.

    Today, with a multi-million dollar budget, a large staff, and modern fortress-fortified six-story office building headquartered in Montgomery, Alabama, the SPLC has grown from a small legal office combating local segregation into a massive national operation tracking various movements on the political right. Today, its adversarial targets span a broader range of activists on the right than from its narrow inception of thwarting the white-robed members of the Invisible Empire. The SPLC’s scope extends across a broad spectrum of grassroots Middle America. As an organization that at one time exclusively monitored Klan and neo-Nazi factions under the banner of “Klanwatch,” the SPLC has evolved to conquer a wider scope of adversaries, namely anyone who is considered “intolerant” of left-wing causes. This vast category includes (but in no way is limited to) anti-abortion activists, cultural conservatives, pro-family advocates, immigration reform activists, religious conservatives, and assorted political gadflies on the right.
    http://splcwatch.org/articles/the-so...ty-law-center/

    In fact, the SPLC has been successfully sued by individuals for their being listed as spreaders of hate. One of the more recent cases is that of Islamic reformer Maajid Nawaz. The SPLC agreed to a settlement with Nawaz of $3.375 million and an apology.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

      Yes, the SPLC does monitor individuals and even names names in many cases.



      http://splcwatch.org/articles/the-so...ty-law-center/

      In fact, the SPLC has been successfully sued by individuals for their being listed as spreaders of hate. One of the more recent cases is that of Islamic reformer Maajid Nawaz. The SPLC agreed to a settlement with Nawaz of $3.375 million and an apology.


      Once more you fell victim of "fake news"

      The link you posted does not belong to SPLC

      The SPLC link is here

      https://www.splcenter.org

      Your link belongs actually to a site which by its name is antiSPLC.

      So, you just found a conservative site CLAIMING things about the SPLC without giving any sign of evidence!

      And I am waiting for your response tot he question I asked you...
      My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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      • #63
        Originally posted by pamak View Post



        Once more you fell victim of "fake news"

        The link you posted does not belong to SPLC

        The SPLC link is here

        https://www.splcenter.org

        Your link belongs actually to a site which by its name is antiSPLC.

        So, you just found a conservative site CLAIMING things about the SPLC without giving any sign of evidence!

        And I am waiting for your response tot he question I asked you...
        No, the group I cited is one like Judicial Watch. They watchdog the SPLC. They call out the SPLC for their excesses and smears on people that really are not what the SPLC claims.

        But, even the SPLC on their own site says they track "extremists." That is, individuals who they deem to be Right wing extremists.

        I also cited an actual example of a recent lawsuit by an individual the SPLC smeared and had to apologize to and pay a multi-million dollar settlement to.

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        • #64
          Want some more individuals the SPLC has smeared?

          Charles Murray, American Enterprise Institute scholar
          Cliff Kinkaid, Accuracy in Media President
          Joseph Farah, Family Research Council
          Frank Gaffney, Center for Security Policy
          Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who speaks out against radical Islam and was a member of the Dutch Parliament and now works at Harvard's Hoover Institute

          http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/...aires-why.html

          They've labeled Dennis Praeger, a radio talk show host and founder of Praeger U, a hater.

          https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/06/...ainst-prageru/

          Here's an article by Ed Whalen who the SPLC labeled a hater:

          https://www.nationalreview.com/bench...sgender-smear/

          How many do you need to be convinced the SPLC is a hate group that targets INDIVIDUALS?

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          • #65
            Here, I can't make it any clearer than this. This is sledgehammering the obvious into you:

            https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...les/individual

            There's the SPLC's own list of individuals they're tracking.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

              No, the group I cited is one like Judicial Watch. They watchdog the SPLC. They call out the SPLC for their excesses and smears on people that really are not what the SPLC claims.

              But, even the SPLC on their own site says they track "extremists." That is, individuals who they deem to be Right wing extremists.

              I also cited an actual example of a recent lawsuit by an individual the SPLC smeared and had to apologize to and pay a multi-million dollar settlement to.
              The SPLC has the actual hate watch site

              https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch

              The group you cited are just hacks who give no evidence for their claims and have structured a site in such a way that some readers will believe that this is the actual SPLC watch!
              My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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              • #67
                Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                Here, I can't make it any clearer than this. This is sledgehammering the obvious into you:

                https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...les/individual

                There's the SPLC's own list of individuals they're tracking.
                They track what they say (hate speech). I do not see PERSONAL information which is the point that we discuss here. Exorcist came with a BS link which incited right wing followers to gather information from social media about the extremist (in their opinion) socialists!

                My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by pamak View Post

                  The SPLC has the actual hate watch site

                  https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch

                  The group you cited are just hacks who give no evidence for their claims and have structured a site in such a way that some readers will believe that this is the actual SPLC watch!


                  ATFQ! The SPLC has a list...LIST... of individuals on their site they track as "extremists" and "haters" of various sorts. Alex Jones is at the top of it.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by pamak View Post

                    They track what they say (hate speech). I do not see PERSONAL information which is the point that we discuss here. Exorcist came with a BS link which incited right wing followers to gather information from social media about the extremist (in their opinion) socialists!


                    Oh, so now you demand more detailed proof. That they track individuals isn't enough.

                    Well, the SPLC has that too. Here's a typical entry from THEIR website:

                    Criminal history


                    Arrested on May 26, 2007, in Knoxville, Tenn., after attacking a police officer during a neo-Nazi rally, and charged with disorderly conduct, resisting arrest, vandalism and assault on a police officer. In August, he reportedly pleaded guilty to resisting arrest and was sentenced to six months of probation. Linder also reportedly agreed to pay $250 for a police officer's phone that was damaged during the incident.

                    Background

                    According to an interview he gave to neo-Nazi journal National Vanguard, Linder grew up in a middle-class suburb, earned a bachelor's degree from Pomona College in Claremont, Calif., and then worked for two leading conservative media outlets in Washington, D.C., where he was driven to despair because "racist satire of Jews and minorities" could not be published. He ran a trade publication in Germantown, Md., from 1993 until 1997, when he moved to Missouri to fulfill his "true interest, writing satire to hasten White revolution."

                    In the late 1990s, Linder joined the National Alliance (NA), then the country's most active and important neo-Nazi group. Linder was so committed to the cause that he even considered a move to the NA's compound on a mountaintop near Hillsboro, W.Va., to edit the organization's magazine, National Vanguard.

                    In 2000, Linder and an associate, Regina Belser (who apparently later left the operation), created Vanguard News Network (VNN), a website he hoped would grow into a "White Viacom" composed of "an integrated global media and services company getting out the White message and serving the White market in a thousand forms." While the site has proven relatively popular in neo-Nazi circles (in 2008, there were 2,945 registered users), what VNN turned out to be is remarkably vulgar, offending even many of the most extreme racists and anti-Semites with Linder's potty humor, untrammeled misogyny (Linder says women should "make everything happy and smooth running by providing offspring and sex and cookies and iced tea") and swaggering self-importance. Its motto is "No Jews. Just Right," and it includes an archive of racist and anti-Semitic articles, links to Linder's Aryan Alternative newspaper, podcasts from VNN Broadcasting, and a popular online message board, VNN forum.

                    In March 2003, after federal agents arrested Georgia NA leader Chester Doles on weapons charges, Linder grew disgusted with the NA's reluctance to fund or even help fund Doles' legal defense. To the severe embarrassment of NA leaders, and using an anonymous donor's offer to match up to $25,000, Linder managed to raise $79,464 that Doles' wife used to hire former U.S. Rep. Bob Barr (R-Ga.) as a defense attorney. As a result of his fundraising campaign and his open criticism of the NA on his VNN website, Linder fell into disfavor with some of his colleagues and most leaders of the NA. Since then, VNN has become a favorite internet home for movement criticism, much of it vicious, of the NA. It has also welcomed comments attacking Stormfront.org, the nation's largest hate site run by a crew of activists close to former Klan leader David Duke. A part of Linder's hatred of Stormfront relates to that site's attempts to downplay Nazi language and imagery.

                    After leaving the NA, Linder worked closely with other hard-line racists, in particular Bill White, who once ran the hate site Overthrow.com and was the leader of the American National Socialist Workers Party. In 2005, Linder announced his intention to set up the White Freedom Party, but that effort never came to fruition. Linder also runs the racist website Kirksville Today, named after his hometown in Missouri.

                    More recently, Linder has focused on protesting instances of what he terms anti-white "hate crimes." On May 26, 2007, he led a group of about 30 neo-Nazis gathered in Knoxville, Tenn., for a "Rally Against Genocide" organized in the names of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom, a white couple who had been violently assaulted and then murdered by three black assailants. Although Knoxville authorities repeatedly stated that the crimes were not racially motivated, Linder and his companions insisted that it was a race-based attack and that the media was covering up "black crime" motivated by anti-white hatred. At least one of the demonstrators wore a swastika T-shirt. They held signs reading "Diversity = White Death" and "Murdered By Muds, Covered Up By Jews." Linder was arrested after he crossed police lines at the demonstration and fought with officers. He was charged with disorderly conduct, resisting arrest, vandalism and assault on a police officer. In August, he pleaded guilty to resisting arrest and was sentenced to six months of probation.

                    In 2008, Linder and other VNN activists attempted to organize and publicize a similar protest campaign on behalf of a teenage shooting victim they assumed was a "pure-blooded" white. When it turned out that their race-war martyr, Daniel Cicciaro, was half Puerto Rican (a "mud" in racist terminology), the campaign so diligently taken up a few days earlier was rapidly canceled.

                    In June 2009, when 88-year-old anti-Semite James von Brunn shot and killed a security guard at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, Linder praised the shooter for sacrificing himself “to show his people that the Holocaust is a Big Lie: a deliberately concocted atrocity myth being used by Jews and their running dogs at Fox News and CNN to browbeat whites into submission to the Jewish Tyranny known as the New World Order.”

                    https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...al/alex-linder

                    I'd say that qualifies as personal information. They do that for all of their entries. What are you going to say now? That they don't list their phone number and home address? Stop denying the obvious. The hate group the SPLC, tracks individuals. They track their individual information and post it on-line.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                      Here, I can't make it any clearer than this. This is sledgehammering the obvious into you:

                      https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...les/individual

                      There's the SPLC's own list of individuals they're tracking.
                      The SPLC is nothing but a hate group.
                      Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post



                        ATFQ! The SPLC has a list...LIST... of individuals on their site they track as "extremists" and "haters" of various sorts. Alex Jones is at the top of it.
                        It is you who creates a straw man when you try to argue that when somebody pays attention to what public figures say, ,he is monitoring individuals. Do not tell me that you do not do the same thing we leftist public controversial figures!

                        Exorcist's site was not talking about this. Here are some excerpts from his site

                        https://www.theburningplatform.com/2...king-them-now/

                        You will note that most of them carefully avoid providing a valid address and I suspect many are using fake names. Many of them are perfectly aware of the essentially criminal nature of their activities, current or planned.

                        I promise you that you will be surprised at the number of these groups, how widespread they are even in conservative regions of the country, and how completely crazy the members are. These are dangerous people. In the event that serious violence breaks out in the country, you will have to work with the local police and possibly citizen´s groups to round up and neutralize these people.


                        This is about common individuals who say different things behind their anonymity. And notice also the use of the word "planned" when it says that "Many of them are perfectly aware of the essentially criminal nature of their activities, current or planned. In other words, even when there is not any crime, the fact that a lunatic may assume that a person is planning to commit a crime in order to establish his "socialist" agenda is a good reason to create a target list. And he says that supposedly this list is needed in case violence breaks outs. Why should I believe an anonymous individual that he actually want to create such list for self-defense and not for an attack? What I know is that if there is a crime involved, you inform the police and let them decide what to do with the information you provided. You do not create "lists" for idiots in internet!

                        If anything believes that I am wrong, (including the moderators ) then this is like telling me that there is nothing wrong if I research public sources to find the personal information and address of an anonymous poster here who mentioned the commitment of a felony against gays by one of his family friends. One can as easily claim that the individual is perfectly aware of the essentially criminal nature of their activities, current or planned (to use Exorcist's site words), and one should have a list of such people in case violence breaks and these people want to promote their anti-gay agenda..
                        Last edited by pamak; 08 Jul 18, 03:26.
                        My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                          ...




                          https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...al/alex-linder

                          I'd say that qualifies as personal information. They do that for all of their entries. What are you going to say now? That they don't list their phone number and home address? Stop denying the obvious. The hate group the SPLC, tracks individuals. They track their individual information and post it on-line.
                          The Kansas City Star has also information about him

                          https://www.kansascity.com/news/stat...169870132.html

                          As I said, we are not talking about public figures. And when such controversial public figures have a criminal history, then obviously such details will be published.
                          Last edited by pamak; 08 Jul 18, 01:18.
                          My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by pamak View Post

                            It is you who creates a straw man when you try to argue that when somebody pays attention to what public figures say, ,he is monitoring individuals. Do not tell me that you do not do the same thing we leftist public controversial figures!
                            You start off with a Tui Quoque (You too) fallacy. Since you don't know what a strawman argument is, here's a definition:

                            Strawman
                            is a
                            fallacy
                            in which an opponent's argument is overstated or misrepresented in order to be more easily attacked or refuted.
                            Then the yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah that follows amounts to a goal post move again. Now you argue that the site has to list individuals not in the public eye, or having some degree of exposure... even though some of the people on the SPLC's list fit that description too.

                            Exo's article you list only advocates for doing something like the SPLC is already actually doing, but doesn't actually do it. Yet, you claim the author is based on his call for it to be done. That is misrepresenting the facts even in the case of the article you base your argument on.



                            It is clear that no amount of proof, however overwhelming that is presented to you will change your mind about this subject. So, I am done discussing it. You lost, that's obvious.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                              You start off with a Tui Quoque (You too) fallacy. Since you don't know what a strawman argument is, here's a definition:



                              Then the yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah that follows amounts to a goal post move again. Now you argue that the site has to list individuals not in the public eye, or having some degree of exposure... even though some of the people on the SPLC's list fit that description too.

                              Exo's article you list only advocates for doing something like the SPLC is already actually doing, but doesn't actually do it. Yet, you claim the author is based on his call for it to be done. That is misrepresenting the facts even in the case of the article you base your argument on.



                              It is clear that no amount of proof, however overwhelming that is presented to you will change your mind about this subject. So, I am done discussing it. You lost, that's obvious.
                              The only thing in which you are correct is that I misspoke and mentioned "strawman argument" instead of "moving the goalposts" which is exactly what you did when you tried to use the example of revealing information about public figures to argue that the SPLC does the same thing that Exorcist's site asks its followers to do.


                              Exposing the record, and especially the criminal record, of public figures of the opposite side is already happening on both sides of the political spectrum. There is no need to advocate something like this because people already do it! Exorcist's site calls for an escalation so that regular and even ANONYMOUS members of leftist sites become targets for information gathering, as it is obvious from the quotes I posted from that site! And of course, in a typical way, after you moved the goalposts, you accused me of "moving the goalposts."

                              Ohh, and I noticed that you continue to avoid my question about how one should respond to the particular examples of controversial posts by anonymous posters I mentioned earlier, including from anonymous posters of this site.
                              Last edited by pamak; 08 Jul 18, 03:58.
                              My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post


                                But, if you want to talk about individuals, didn't you just threaten me, in a typically sideways manner, with a hacker that could expose me and destroy me?
                                Hint; don't bother, there is no money in it. I have never paid a bill or bought anything online. I don't even use it to check my bank balance.
                                FYI, none of that matters or protects you in any way.
                                "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                                - Benjamin Franklin

                                The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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