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  • #76
    Originally posted by phil74501 View Post
    Not even close...definitely not as close as the countries you cited. If the President was "authoritarian," he wouldn't be fighting with Congress, including members of his own party, to get something done. If the President of the US was authoritarian, he could just say "We're spending X amount on NASA and that's how it's going to be." Obviously, that's not the case.
    Yet that is exactly what's happening, Trump is redirecting NASA efforts away from evironmental issues towards militarized space, Obama did the opposite.

    There's no reason to assume the next president won't do the same.

    This much power of a single indiviual over strategic issues is simply impossible here.

    Not just this issue either - Paris accord, Ocare, G7, tariffs, immigration, all these things can apparently be decided by the US president at will, your Congress is just a flowerpot.

    That puts you in the category of Putin, Erdogan, Macron and others - a presidential system.

    If you read Trump's order it says "...I have ordered the US Military.." - it does not say "I've put a proposal before Congress..."

    That's authoritarian.

    Originally posted by Emtos View Post
    If there is no gulags in program, it's definitely Right Wing.
    Anyone that believes all people are "created equal" is a leftist imho.
    Last edited by Snowygerry; 22 Jun 18, 04:20.
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    • #77
      Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
      Anyone that believes all people are "created equal" is a leftist imho.
      If "all men are created equal," then why did the guy who penned that phrase own so many of them?

      Despite the bluster, I'm not sure that a President can create a new force out of thin air. Simply appropriating the funds and authorizing the new expenditures will require Acts of Congress, and regardless of what Trump thinks of himself, he can't impersonate Congress, at least not yet.

      But I'm the main, I agree: over the course of many generations, our Congress has simply ceded its mandate and its responsibilities to the executive, little by little, with only the occasional hiccup. The worst part is that, as a polity, we've come to expect it -- to want it. It's much easier for the Great Unwashed to view government as the work of a lone individual than as the project of a whole citizenry. It's absolves the moronic masses of a lot of unwanted responsibility.
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      • #78
        "All men are created equal", but equal opportunity is an oxymoron.
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        • #79
          Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

          If "all men are created equal," then why did the guy who penned that phrase own so many of them?
          All men are equally worthless, which is why you can buy so many for cheap.
          Wisdom is personal


          • #80
            The Most Dangerous Space Weapons Ever
            Wild Space Weapons Ideas

            While space has been an excellent forum for peaceful exploration, it is also an excellent high ground from which to gain a military advantage. Spy satellites have been in use for decades. And in one form or another, as long as the Space Age has been around, various agencies have envisioned using space as a platform for missile launches or other activities. In this slide show, check out the top 10 space weapon concepts from over the years. (This slideshow was updated on Dec. 21, 2016).
            FIRST STOP: Missiles

            Here's a look at 10 nasty ways warfare may reach space.

            It's a slide show format.
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            • #81
              Cross-linking related threads (pending a merge?)
              US Space Force...
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              • #82
                The New Arms Race Threatening to Explode in Space

                Trump’s call for a “Space Force” escalates a quiet, dangerous contest between the US, China, and Russia—one whose consequences no one really understands.
                In the midafternoon of January 11, 2007, US Air Force major general William Shelton sat at the head of a table in a command center at California’s Vandenberg Air Force Base, holding a telephone to each ear. Shelton was the commander in charge of maintaining the US military’s “situational awareness” in space—and the situation, at the moment, seemed to be deteriorating fast. One phone connected Shelton to his boss, the head of US Strategic Command, in Nebraska; the other connected to Shelton’s operations center, a windowless room full of analysts just next door. In front of Shelton was a can of Diet Dr Pepper, and arrayed around the table were the members of his increasingly nervous senior staff.

                For days, US intelligence had been picking up indications that China was about to conduct a missile test aimed at outer space. The analysts next door—and their counterparts around the world—were tracking ground-based radar signals, monitoring infrared sensors, and poring over images from telescopes in space. All of them were briefing Shelton on what they were observing in real time. At 2:28 pm (PST) their readouts showed a ballistic missile taking off from China’s Xichang Satellite Launch Center, located in the wooded mountains of Sichuan province. The missile rose into low Earth orbit, about 500 miles above Earth’s surface, and appeared to close in on an aging Chinese weather satellite.

                Then the telescopes showed a bright flash.

                Minutes later, the radar screens began to track a growing cloud of debris—at least 3,000 pieces of shrapnel that would each, Shelton knew, spend the next several years slingshotting around Earth at speeds that could far exceed that of a bullet. Shelton was stunned. The Chinese had just shot a satellite out of the sky.

                Not only was this a stupendous technological achievement—to launch a missile from the ground and hit a celestial target moving as fast as 17,000 mph—it also showed a level of audacity not seen in space for decades. “We couldn’t imagine they would go against an actual satellite,” Shelton recalls. “Because of the debris something like that creates, it’s almost unthinkable.” It felt like a wake-up call.
                For decades, America’s satellites had circled Earth at a largely safe remove from the vicissitudes of geopolitics. An informal global moratorium on the testing of anti-satellite weapons had held since 1985; the intervening decades had been a period of post–Cold War peace—and unquestioned American supremacy—high overhead. During those decades, satellites had become linchpins of the American military apparatus and the global economy. By 2007, ships at sea and warplanes in the air had grown reliant on instant satellite communications with ground stations thousands of miles away. Government forecasters relied on weather satellites; intelligence analysts relied on high-*resolution imagery to anticipate and track adversaries the world over. GPS had become perhaps the single most indispensable global system ever designed by humans—the infrastructure upon which the rest of the world’s infrastructure is based. (Fourteen of the 16 infrastructure sectors designated as critical by the Department of Homeland Security, like energy and financial services, rely on GPS for their operation.)

                Now, Shelton feared, all those satellites overhead had become so many huge, unarmored, billion-dollar sitting ducks.

                In the decade since China’s first successful anti-satellite missile test, Shelton’s premonition has largely come true: Everything has changed in space. A secretive, pitched arms race has opened up between the US, China, Russia, and, to a lesser extent, North Korea. The object of the race: to devise more and better ways to quickly cripple your adversary’s satellites. After decades of uncontested US supremacy, multinational cooperation, and a diplomatic consensus on reserving space for peaceful uses, military officials have begun referring to Earth’s orbit as a new “warfighting domain.”

                On the ground, the military is starting to retrain pilots, ship captains, and ground troops in fail-safe forms of navigation that don’t rely on GPS— like celestial navigation. The US military must relearn how to fight “unwired” and defend itself in space. “We knew how to do that, and somehow we forgot,” General John E. Hyten, the head of US Strategic Command, said in 2015.

                When former director of national intelligence James Clapper left office at the end of the Obama administration, he told me that the increasing sophistication of America’s adversaries in space was one of the top three strategic threats he worried about. Clapper’s successor, Dan Coats, warned last spring that “Russia and China remain committed to developing capabilities to challenge perceived adversaries in space, especially the United States.”
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