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  • #31
    Originally posted by Blackhat View Post

    His support is in the polling booth, not the Capitol building. Establishment Republicans were just as big of a competitor as the Democrats. He surprised them too, and continues to do so. He challenges business as usual politics and neither side likes that.
    Without the support from Capitol, he will do nothing. He cannot fight alone against political elites who control everything. Trump can be a big embarrassment for the Reps with Russia withchunting, trade wars, Iran treaty, scandals with women and so on. At one moment they can decide to replace him with someone more politically correct.
    There are no Nazis in Ukraine. Idiots

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Blackhat View Post

      Actually, after thinking about it, (....)but he may just be the only one who can negate the unceasing march to the left and bring the country back to a more center balance.
      Maybe - but seen from a relatively disinterested distance, your policy just flip-flops from one extreme to another with each president, while competitors like China, Arabs, Iran, Russia, EU, and ultimately even North Korea maintain a relatively stable course for decades now.

      Back in the nineties, when I started paying attention to these things, the US word was law in international politics,

      these days you're one of the many, and recently, quite often just ignored.


      I suspect that's because fully half of your population at any time opposes what the other half is doing.

      Trump will not change that, in fact he seems to be a symptom of the disease, rather than the cure.

      If you don't mind me for paraphrasing the great US philosopher Sylvester Stallone
      Major Atticus Finch - ACW Rainbow Game.

      Bolgios - Mercenary Game.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Emtos View Post

        Without the support from Capitol, he will do nothing. He cannot fight alone against political elites who control everything. Trump can be a big embarrassment for the Reps with Russia withchunting, trade wars, Iran treaty, scandals with women and so on. At one moment they can decide to replace him with someone more politically correct.
        General logic would say so, but he continues to surprise and frustrate his detractors. I sense a concerted effort from the establishment side of the party to replace him would be to there detriment. The LAST thing the voters that elected him want is more politically correct. That unending push put him in the WH. Failure to accept that or understand it would be costly for either side.

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        • #34
          The first question would be: what do the people want and what do the elites want ? Today I have the impression while reading that forum, that the main question is the label used by each candidate. A candidate calling himself Right-wing would always act good according to a number of posters and the other way around if he is from Liberal side.
          There are no Nazis in Ukraine. Idiots

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

            Back in the nineties, when I started paying attention to these things, the US word was law in international politics,

            these days you're one of the many, and recently, quite often just ignored.


            I suspect that's because fully half of your population at any time opposes what the other half is doing.

            Trump will not change that, in fact he seems to be a symptom of the disease, rather than the cure.

            If you don't mind me for paraphrasing the great US philosopher Sylvester Stallone
            As long as you don't quote Frank Stallone we're ok!

            I agree with your assessment of our lessened status globally, and you're right as to diametrically opposed ideologies more and more conflicting with each other. Not sure I'd call him a symptom, but perhaps an end result. A nuanced difference to be sure. As to him being the "cure"... Dunno, quite possibly a starting point for sure. You have to admit, love him or hate him, He's gotten more things done in 18 months than most anyone expected. On either side.

            Our country is searching for its soul again. The stage is set and the players are taking their places. If you look to a map from the election based on districts you'll see where the problem lies. A sea of red with a few bastions of blue in the few major metropolitan cities. (NYC, LA, Chicago and Seatle) This is a class struggle as much as a culture war. No end result seems certain, but status and standing internationally will not return until we sort out what kind of nation we want to be.

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            • #36
              Most of the country thinks like Poland, while the urban centers think like Germany. Who wins is the question.

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                • #38
                  To a considerable extent, "space" is already heavily militarized by the major powers as well as some others. Satellites watch everyone, everywhere, all of the time and serve to target smart weapons as well as ICBMs.

                  And every military man knows that taking the high ground is the advantage.
                  Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    To a considerable extent, "space" is already heavily militarized by the major powers as well as some others. Satellites watch everyone, everywhere, all of the time and serve to target smart weapons as well as ICBMs.

                    And every military man knows that taking the high ground is the advantage.
                    However, there are International Treaties against placing weapons in orbit, so the militarization so far is mostly orbital intel sats, communications sats, and GPS. And rather limited on the ground, Earth-side, anti-sat abilities.

                    Meanwhile, there is the USAF Space Command;
                    Air Force Space Command
                    http://www.afspc.af.mil/

                    And from Wiki;
                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_Space_Command
                    TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

                      Maybe - but seen from a relatively disinterested distance, your policy just flip-flops from one extreme to another with each president, while competitors like China, Arabs, Iran, Russia, EU, and ultimately even North Korea maintain a relatively stable course for decades now.
                      Our internal "flip-flop" goes back to the 1930's at least, if one considers the polarization that FDR helped create. That was offset briefly by unity for WWII, but quickly reverted to Left vs Right ever since. Our foreign policy "flip-flop" revolves around how much we will do for and give to the rest of the World, versus how much we should reign back and focus more on our own and internal affairs and needs.

                      The examples you cite tend to be mostly authoritarian type guv'mints for many decades now. EU doesn't seem all that stable from our perspective. "Arabs" tend to be the sites of many conflicts as they engage in polarization between Islamic Jihad fundamentalists and more moderate factions seeking to modernize~Westernize more. Iran had a change back in 1979, and a possible one a few years ago with the Green movement, but BHO admin chose support the Mullahs ruling Iran rather than "the people" seeking more democracy.

                      Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
                      Back in the nineties, when I started paying attention to these things, the US word was law in international politics,

                      these days you're one of the many, and recently, quite often just ignored.
                      IIRC, the nineties was when the USSR was in collapse and Russia was trying to find a new path, hence somewhat reduced in influence on global events. PRChina was still rising beyond regional impact, so by default, the USA was the only major world power, filling some vacuums of sorts at the time. Since then Islamic Jihad has gained more traction, China more trade, Russia moved closer to Czarism, and EU still disjointed.
                      The brief lull of the 1990s has been replaced with more global division and conflict than existed then.


                      Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
                      I suspect that's because fully half of your population at any time opposes what the other half is doing.
                      Been that way since about 1775 onward. Not quite as extreme as we saw between 1861-1865.

                      Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
                      Trump will not change that, in fact he seems to be a symptom of the disease, rather than the cure.

                      If you don't mind me for paraphrasing the great US philosopher Sylvester Stallone
                      As pointed out, the "dis-ease" has been part of our Nation's fabric since the start. Trump is redirecting things more to the desires of one half that was so displeased by where it was going in the previous Admin./eight years. Given as we've been a couple centuries plus getting here, doubt any one POTUS will get both sides united anytime in near future. Trump is pursuing a "cure" the opposite of one pursued by BHO and our "Left"
                      TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Emtos View Post
                        The first question would be: what do the people want and what do the elites want ? Today I have the impression while reading that forum, that the main question is the label used by each candidate. A candidate calling himself Right-wing would always act good according to a number of posters and the other way around if he is from Liberal side.
                        My only claim is the Left / Progressives will always end up harming you and the society they control. A Right / Conservative candidate might do that but there's no certainty in it nor will it be systematically done by every such person. On the Left, that WILL be the case. There are several centuries of evidence now that support that position.

                        It's not that every Progressive has ill-intentions or is a bad person. Most Progressives are nice people. The problem is their ideas are based on wishful thinking, idealism, and emotion. There isn't a scintilla of rational thought behind them. When those are imposed on society as laws, the result is disaster. It may take decades to reach that point, but inevitably it will.

                        Thus, I completely reject Progressive / Leftist ideas and rail against them at every turn.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

                          And I fear it's being used against you now.

                          Russia (is not the SU) spends some 70 billion USD on its military, USA spends 600.
                          But not against Russia. We do have a few higher priority global commitments.

                          Tuebor

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                            My only claim is the Left / Progressives will always end up harming you and the society they control. A Right / Conservative candidate might do that but there's no certainty in it nor will it be systematically done by every such person. On the Left, that WILL be the case. There are several centuries of evidence now that support that position.

                            It's not that every Progressive has ill-intentions or is a bad person. Most Progressives are nice people. The problem is their ideas are based on wishful thinking, idealism, and emotion. There isn't a scintilla of rational thought behind them. When those are imposed on society as laws, the result is disaster. It may take decades to reach that point, but inevitably it will.

                            Thus, I completely reject Progressive / Leftist ideas and rail against them at every turn.
                            Without the Left we would still be in Middle Ages. 40h working week ? The Left. Vacations ? The Left. Fair trial ? The Left. Gender equality ? The Left. Etc.

                            Nothing ever came from the Right but misery and more misery. If the Right worked in USA, it's because it's an exceptional case.
                            There are no Nazis in Ukraine. Idiots

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Emtos View Post

                              Without the Left we would still be in Middle Ages. 40h working week ? The Left. Vacations ? The Left. Fair trial ? The Left. Gender equality ? The Left. Etc.

                              Nothing ever came from the Right but misery and more misery. If the Right worked in USA, it's because it's an exceptional case.
                              You mean all the things the deplorables accomplished before the Democratic party became the social elites socialist party.
                              We hunt the hunters

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                              • #45
                                We don't have the Democratic in Europe.
                                There are no Nazis in Ukraine. Idiots

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