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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    Yup. The Nazis even had a green agenda, and took great emphasis in fighting obesity through group activities.

    Item by item they match today's leftist agenda.

    I've been saying this here for a while: today's liberal;s are the Fourth Reich.

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by Cult Icon View Post
    Ridiculous, there is not a single serious scholar in political science/history that would consider the Nazis left wing..

    only uneducated right-wing ideologues that make up fake rhetoric and brainwash their historically ignorant followers to hate their political enemies more would claim such a thing and go through such efforts:
    The Big Lie: Exposing the Nazi Roots of the American Left, by Dinesh DíSouza

    https://www.amazon.com/Big-Lie-Expos.../dp/1621573486

    Dinesh Joseph D'Souza (/dɪˈnɛʃ dəˈsuːzə/; born April 25, 1961) is an Indian Americanconservative political commentator, author and filmmaker who has been described as far-right.[

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinesh_D%27Souza

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism

    Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning is a book by Jonah Goldberg,Goldberg is a syndicated columnist and the editor-at-large of National Review Online.
    Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it so.

    The way I see it is the Left doesn't want to be saddled with Hitler and Mussolini along with the already clear plethora of vicious, malicious, dictators they already have to accept.

    Academics, mostly Leftists themselves, will certainly go out of their way to "prove" Hitler wasn't one of their own. But, what makes the Nazis on the Right and not say Stalin, Mao, or Castro? How were the Nazi's different from them?

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  • Cult Icon
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    Ridiculous, there is not a single serious scholar in political science/history that would consider the Nazis left wing..

    only uneducated right-wing ideologues that make up fake rhetoric and brainwash their historically ignorant followers to hate their political enemies more would claim such a thing and go through such efforts:
    The Big Lie: Exposing the Nazi Roots of the American Left, by Dinesh DíSouza

    https://www.amazon.com/Big-Lie-Expos.../dp/1621573486

    Dinesh Joseph D'Souza (/dɪˈnɛʃ dəˈsuːzə/; born April 25, 1961) is an Indian Americanconservative political commentator, author and filmmaker who has been described as far-right.[

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinesh_D%27Souza

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism

    Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning is a book by Jonah Goldberg,Goldberg is a syndicated columnist and the editor-at-large of National Review Online.

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  • Emtos
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

    The Nazis only got as far as imposing STATIST CAPITALISM on Germany. Had they somehow won the war, they would have gone further.

    Statist Capitalism is another variant of Socialism. In Statist Capitalism the means of production stay in private hands while what is produced and by who is decided by the government.
    No, it's not Socialism. Government isn't a sign of Socialism. The sign is the ownership of means of production. Government can be prefectly capitalist and the production is decided for his own interests. Furthermore, the production in Nazi Germany wasn't much different from wartime production in other countries.


    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Here, the government controls what gets produced. They often own a controlling share in larger corporations (in Nazi Germany Junkers Aircraft was mostly owned by the government who took it over when it was going bankrupt in the mid 30's). That is very much Leftist.
    It's not. Happens in almost all countries, US included. It's not in interest of government to have a factory going bankrupt and being faced by angry workers and losing productivity.


    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    The bottom line is that the economics of Nazi Germany were shifting Left as fast as things would allow. That the Nazis never completely imposed their goals on society is irrelevant to what those goals were or where they fall on the political spectrum.
    Actually they were staying on the right. Ressources and labor force would be used in first place to bolster the German corporations and their owners. An ordinary citizen would get little profit from all of this. He was never intended to be in control of anything. It was the Capitalism pushed to it's logical conclusion, the Right at its maximum.

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by Emtos View Post

    Don't need to read further. Krupp, Porshe and plenty of others had excellent time during Nazi era.

    The balance between Left and Right is defined by the ownership of means of production.

    An average German worker didn't had anything meaning that Nazi Germany was on the Right.
    The Nazis only got as far as imposing STATIST CAPITALISM on Germany. Had they somehow won the war, they would have gone further.

    Statist Capitalism is another variant of Socialism. In Statist Capitalism the means of production stay in private hands while what is produced and by who is decided by the government.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/harrybi.../#45f843d15f5c

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statism

    Here, the government controls what gets produced. They often own a controlling share in larger corporations (in Nazi Germany Junkers Aircraft was mostly owned by the government who took it over when it was going bankrupt in the mid 30's, as one example). That is very much Leftist.

    The average German under Nazi control had to conform to government ideas, programs and guidelines.

    The Nazis built massive vacation sites on the Baltic and were expecting all German citizens to vacation in these government approved sites doing government approved activities.

    Children had to join the Hitler Youth and attend schools approved and run by the government.

    Worker unions were abolished unless controlled directly by the government for purposes of indoctrination.

    The bottom line is that the economics of Nazi Germany were shifting Left as fast as things would allow. That the Nazis never completely imposed their goals on society is irrelevant to what those goals were or where they fall on the political spectrum.

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