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  • Half Pint John
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    Originally posted by R.N. Armstrong View Post
    If one takes off their blinkers, American greatest has been falling long before Trump.

    Here's a short list:

    Diminished economy strength in national debt, deficit trade, and inability to use expedient economic sanctions;

    Diminished military capabilities in force structure, dated weapon systems, maintaining weapons systems;

    Educational system producing non-competitive graduates around the world;

    Lack of political bipartisanship to work national issues;

    Complacent/unknowledgeable society in national security.
    I don't see the diminished military. The DoD budget has been a very large slice of the Fed budget for years. F35/22's Ford Class and Zummwalts have come on line at the cost of other weapons systems. Ground forces are getting new weapons and of course the mostly unneeded new uniforms. The has been a major influx of civilian workers over the past 30-40 years that is questionable if they are cost effective

    Lack of political bipartisanship to work national issues;
    You can say that again. Our Fed government has become close to dysfunctional. Ed system is sub-par below the Graduate School level. That is a national disgrace.

    https://www.master-and-more.eu/en/to...-in-the-world/
    Last edited by Half Pint John; 24 Jul 18, 01:18.

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  • Emtos
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    What ?

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by Emtos View Post
    Mediocrity ?! We're probably in one of our greatest point.
    WE do not even qualify to be mediocre any more. We are now the nation of the lowest common denominator, to the point that a major portion of the American population cannot even speak the language.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by R.N. Armstrong View Post
    If one takes off their blinkers, American greatest has been falling long before Trump.

    Here's a short list:

    Diminished economy strength in national debt, deficit trade, and inability to use expedient economic sanctions;

    Diminished military capabilities in force structure, dated weapon systems, maintaining weapons systems;

    Educational system producing non-competitive graduates around the world;

    Lack of political bipartisanship to work national issues;

    Complacent/unknowledgeable society in national security.
    You left off the one crucial factor that makes all of the other things you listed meaningless in any context: we have no national will to succeed any longer. We quit fighting to win in Korea and it;s gone downhill ever since.

    Americans just want their beer, their sports, their reality programs and their meaningless lives to proceed every day without interruption.

    We're so afraid that no one will like us that we might as well commit national suicide and be done with it.

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  • R.N. Armstrong
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    If one takes off their blinkers, American greatest has been falling long before Trump.

    Here's a short list:

    Diminished economy strength in national debt, deficit trade, and inability to use expedient economic sanctions;

    Diminished military capabilities in force structure, dated weapon systems, maintaining weapons systems;

    Educational system producing non-competitive graduates around the world;

    Lack of political bipartisanship to work national issues;

    Complacent/unknowledgeable society in national security.

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  • Massena
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    Good point. He certainly is not contributing to the nation or even attempting to defend it and fulfill his oath of office. However, the nation is greater than any one man including the current occupant of the Oval Office. He's small, petty, a pouting adolescent and completely unfit to hold the office he was elected to-witness his proposed treatment of the retired intelligence service chiefs.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/23/polit...ces/index.html

    Has Flynn's clearance been revoked?

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/23/polit...rea/index.html

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  • Half Pint John
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    Originally posted by Massena View Post
    So why do you believe that the US is not a great country?
    Because of our current President.

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  • Massena
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    So why do you believe that the US is not a great country?

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  • G David Bock
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    Some might prefer to do the Cliffs Notes version.
    https://www.cliffsnotes.com/
    https://www.cliffsnotes.com/literatu...ysis/chapter-6

    Though the Wiki page on Das Kapital might be enough to cover base and avoid a tedious read which presents semi-accurate perspective.
    ...
    Das Kapital, also known as Capital. Critique of Political Economy (German: Das Kapital. Kritik der politischen Ökonomie, pronounced [das kapiˈtaːl, kʁiːtɪk deːɐ pɔliːtɪʃən řːkoːnoːmiː]; 1867–1883) by Karl Marx is a foundational theoretical text in materialist philosophy, economics and politics.[1] Marx aimed to reveal the economic patterns underpinning the capitalist mode of production, in contrast to classical political economists such as Adam Smith, Jean-Baptiste Say, David Ricardo and John Stuart Mill. Marx did not live to publish the planned second and third parts, but they were both completed from his notes and published after his death by his colleague Friedrich Engels. Capital is the most cited book in the social sciences published before 1950.
    ...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Kapital

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  • R.N. Armstrong
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

    I have but Das Kapital (trans) is boring as hell.
    It is also a misread and misuse of history. That's what happens when you stay locked up in a library--no practical experience with life.

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by Cult Icon View Post
    has any conservative (Marxist/ neo-Marxist) name dropper EVER read Marx?
    I have but Das Kapital (trans) is boring as hell.

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  • Emtos
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    Mediocrity ?! We're probably in one of our greatest point.

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  • R.N. Armstrong
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    While "isms" are interesting academic theories, I am more interested in practical mutual interests. The surprise from the thread for me was the number of posters who thought America has maintained its greatness. Subsequently, there was not enough consensus nor tolerance to find mutual interests in restoring American greatness. I believe we are doomed to follow the European countries into mediocrity and join them in the dustbin of history.

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  • Darth Holliday
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    Originally posted by Cult Icon View Post
    It could help to know what "Marxism" is before one brainlessly uses the term to describe everything liberal
    That goes for the DH's that use Fascist to describe Republicans....

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  • Cult Icon
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    On right wing propaganda, distortions and brainwashing, there is definitively a "ideologically correct, conservative" version of history that's being sold and proliferated.

    https://www.amazon.com/default/e/B00...KindleDbs=true

    A casual look at conservative pundits can show volume after volume of ghostwritten books about history- apparently in between abusing women Bill O' Reilly has time to write 3rd rate books on WW2 history.

    Then this historical tropes, many of them B.S., get proliferated and used to craft rhetoric in the conservative media.

    You will not find serious historians or anyone with intelligence or honesty citing these people.

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