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  • Originally posted by Cult Icon View Post
    Veganism/animal preservation/environmentalism was a subculture in Volkisch movement and existed in the same sphere as the genocidal "Blood and Soil" doctrine.

    the vegan ideas from the movement were the ones that reached (most famously) Hitler.
    But the pussyhats and the bleeding hearts which show empathy for the weak was not part of the NAZI movement. So even if the Nazi's were affected to some degree by the Volkisch movement, it still supports my point that TAG's approach of highlighting only certain similarities or differences to draw the connections he wants among the German Nazis and the modern republicans or democrats does not hold water.
    My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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    • Originally posted by pamak View Post

      But the pussyhats and the bleeding hearts which show empathy for the weak was not part of the NAZI movement. So even if the Nazi's were affected to some degree by the Volkisch movement, it still supports my point that TAG's approach of highlighting only certain similarities or differences to draw the connections he wants among the German Nazis and the modern republicans or democrats does not hold water.
      You are the one missing my point. The Nazis were a manifestation of the Left, nothing more. They were simply one more bunch of Leftist thugs that wanted to impose their version of social perfection on everyone else. That's no different than what Lenin or Stalin did, Mao did, Castro did, Pol Pot, and a whole host of other Leftists have done.
      If anything, Mao and Stalin were far more brutal murderers than Hitler, at least in terms of numbers. Pol Pot was every bit as vicious as the Nazis. He too wanted to return Cambodia to some sort of agrarian, idyllic society and his chosen means was depopulating the cities by force and shooting everyone who wouldn't make a good peasant.

      You, and others, keep saying the Nazis were on the Right, but you can't say how that is other than point to their overt racism, a common trait on the Left too.

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      • A common aspect of senior S.A.,S.S., and Nazi party leaders was an inability to hold down a non-nazi job prior to 1933 and membership in the Freikorps. They were frequently WW1 veterans that grew to cherish their experiences and male bonding/ comradeship. read Ernst Junger's "Storm of Steel" to get a grasp of the Freikorps mentality.

        They were generally a bit "wild" sort of masculine men (eg. high testosterone, ADHD).


        The Freikorps provided the original cultural DNA for the various nazi organizations to come, and even down to the Waffen-SS.


        The way the nazis thought was that the war against the communists and the Jews never stopped after WW1 and life was a life or death struggle.
        Zhitomir-Berdichev, West of Kiev: 24 Dec 1943-31 Jan 1944
        Stalin's Favorite: The Combat History of the 2nd Guards Tank Army
        Barbarossa Derailed I & II
        Battle of Kalinin October 1941

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        • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

          You are the one missing my point. The Nazis were a manifestation of the Left, nothing more. They were simply one more bunch of Leftist thugs that wanted to impose their version of social perfection on everyone else. That's no different than what Lenin or Stalin did, Mao did, Castro did, Pol Pot, and a whole host of other Leftists have done.
          If anything, Mao and Stalin were far more brutal murderers than Hitler, at least in terms of numbers. Pol Pot was every bit as vicious as the Nazis. He too wanted to return Cambodia to some sort of agrarian, idyllic society and his chosen means was depopulating the cities by force and shooting everyone who wouldn't make a good peasant.

          You, and others, keep saying the Nazis were on the Right, but you can't say how that is other than point to their overt racism, a common trait on the Left too.
          Bold mine...

          I gave you an elaborate answer which explains why the NAZI ideology is part of the right spectrum of politics. And in contrast to your approach, mine is not based on selective use of evidence to make my case.

          Here is the relative part from my 312 post ( https://forums.armchairgeneral.com/f...48#post5046748)

          ....So, with such confusing picture, how does one make the distinction between the left and the right?
          To me, I will use history as a guide. I do not know the details of political science, but I do recall that the term "right" and "left" came from the French Revolution

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E...tical_spectrum

          The terms "left" and "right" appeared during the French Revolution of 1789 when members of theNational Assembly divided into supporters of the king to the president's right and supporters of the revolution to his left.

          And from a historical perspective, I see that the right and left can be accurately defined according to how they interpreter the "equality" part of the French motto "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity." The left spectrum is associated with those forces which see equality in economic terms and try to reduce it . The extreme part of that spectrum includes ideologies in which inequality is basically illegal (communism). On the other hand, the right sees inequality as an unavoidable and necessary part of our societies, coming as a result of a divine will ( monarchists and the old right), or as a result of the human nature which creates inequality among people of different skills in an environment of equality (supposedly) of opportunities (capitalists and modern right).

          It is from this perspective that the Nazi ideology belongs to the right wing spectrum because unlike the leftist communist ideology, the Nazi's did not question inequality and certainly never aimed at the elimination of social classes. On the contrary, they wanted a very rigid and hierarchical socioeconomic structure in which a powerful state would make sure that everything runs smoothly and there will be no social unrest among the different classes.
          Last edited by pamak; 13 Jul 18, 17:52.
          My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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          • Originally posted by pamak View Post

            But the pussyhats and the bleeding hearts which show empathy for the weak was not part of the NAZI movement. So even if the Nazi's were affected to some degree by the Volkisch movement, it still supports my point that TAG's approach of highlighting only certain similarities or differences to draw the connections he wants among the German Nazis and the modern republicans or democrats does not hold water.
            TA is in his own bizarro-verse/right wing propaganda land.

            considering that a core enemy of the Nazis were also academics and liberals (also the current enemies of modern conservatives...). When Hitler came to power, he purged and Nazified academia & went after the "liberals" in other spheres of society, including Art.
            Zhitomir-Berdichev, West of Kiev: 24 Dec 1943-31 Jan 1944
            Stalin's Favorite: The Combat History of the 2nd Guards Tank Army
            Barbarossa Derailed I & II
            Battle of Kalinin October 1941

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            • Yep-Trump is stupid:

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

              After the indictments today on 12 officers of the GRU, Trump should not meet with Putin, but lay down the law to him and let him know that next time there will be consequences for interfering in US elections.
              We are not now that strength which in old days
              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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              • 'Awkward' is an understatement:

                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

                It seems to me that either Putin has something on Trump, or Trump doesn't understand that Putin and Russia attacked the United States.
                We are not now that strength which in old days
                Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                • Originally posted by Massena View Post
                  Yep-Trump is stupid:

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

                  After the indictments today on 12 officers of the GRU, Trump should not meet with Putin, but lay down the law to him and let him know that next time there will be consequences for interfering in US elections.
                  And what those consequences would be ? More sanctions ? More tweets ?
                  There are no Nazis in Ukraine. © Idiots

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                  • Originally posted by Cult Icon View Post
                    Many of the same people that are right wing today would be nazis back in the 1930s; similar prejudices, concerns and most importantly, emotional spectrums. Just exponentially more "pansy" and far to the left in the actual things they complain about.
                    Would the Denk Party in Holland be considered to have a similar outlook vis a vis Jews as the Nazis?

                    Dutch Muslim party wonít join Amsterdam coalition against anti-Semitism

                    Denk refuses to sign document saying Jew hatred should be fought and that city should help fund security for Jews

                    AMSTERDAM ó A political movement representing Dutch Muslims distinguished itself from nearly all of the capitalís other parties when it refused to sign a document condemning anti-Semitism.

                    The Denk anti-integration party, which has frequently been accused of espousing anti-Semitism, did not respond to a request by the Jewish community to sign the document, titled ďAmsterdam Jewish Accord.Ē It states that Jews have a right to security paid for by the city government, that anti-Semitism needs to be fought and that the Jewish elements of Amsterdamís history should be taught to the general population.

                    All of the capitalís other parties except one signed the document on Tuesday, two weeks before the March 21 municipal elections in the Netherlands. The other party that sat out the agreement, BIJ1, was founded by a politician who left Denk.
                    [.....]
                    https://www.timesofisrael.com/dutch-...anti-semitism/

                    I think so.

                    But you would, of course, be silent about that.

                    Amsterdam is, of course, where Anne Frank lived.

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Frank

                    Might I suggest to you Cult Icon that you take a slightly more nuanced view of the world before branding those of differing political persuasions than yourself to be Nazis.

                    Instead, look to find the real Nazis.
                    Last edited by At ease; 13 Jul 18, 20:38.
                    "It's like shooting rats in a barrel."
                    "You'll be in a barrel if you don't watch out for the fighters!"

                    "Talking about airplanes is a very pleasant mental disease."
                    ó Sergei(son of Igor) Sikorsky, 'AOPA Pilot' magazine February 2003.

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                    • Anti-semitism was around since time of Rome. Trying to pain this party as Nazis is simply ridiculous.
                      There are no Nazis in Ukraine. © Idiots

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                      • Originally posted by Emtos View Post
                        Anti-semitism was around since time of Rome. Trying to pain this party as Nazis is simply ridiculous.
                        So now you're giving excuses for anti-Semitism? I AM impressed.
                        We are not now that strength which in old days
                        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                        • Originally posted by Massena View Post

                          So now you're giving excuses for anti-Semitism? I AM impressed.
                          Considering your Russophobia and TDS, you should keep avlow profile.
                          There are no Nazis in Ukraine. © Idiots

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                          • Originally posted by Emtos View Post
                            Anti-semitism was around since time of Rome. Trying to pain this party as Nazis is simply ridiculous.
                            The Nazis developed anti-semitism to it's purest form.

                            Anyone guilty of not divorcing themselves utterly from such a philosophy are obviously paying homage to it.

                            My point still stands.
                            "It's like shooting rats in a barrel."
                            "You'll be in a barrel if you don't watch out for the fighters!"

                            "Talking about airplanes is a very pleasant mental disease."
                            ó Sergei(son of Igor) Sikorsky, 'AOPA Pilot' magazine February 2003.

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                            • We seemed to have beaten down the grass around the Nazis while the academics have called Nazism a National Socialism.
                              Leadership is the ability to rise above conventional wisdom.

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                              • Originally posted by Massena View Post
                                Yep-Trump is stupid:

                                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

                                After the indictments today on 12 officers of the GRU, Trump should not meet with Putin, but lay down the law to him and let him know that next time there will be consequences for interfering in US elections.
                                Ever hear the aphorism, "Keep you friends close, but you enemy closer."? Now is probably a time when we should be talking with Putin. Glad you are not an adviser in the White House.
                                Leadership is the ability to rise above conventional wisdom.

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