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  • #31
    Mueller is issuing more subpoenas:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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    • #32
      Follow the money-Trump is proving the old proverb that money is the root of all evil:

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp
      We are not now that strength which in old days
      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Massena View Post
        Follow the money-Trump is proving the old proverb that money is the root of all evil:

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp
        Actually, that proverb is 'The love of money is the root of evil'. Money is a neutral object which serves useful functions, such as providing a measure for wealth and simplifying what would be a barter process.

        Meanwhile, have YOU givne up money and gone to a non-economic existence/lifestyle ???

        And, FWIW, history shows there are other 'roots of evil' ...
        TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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        • #34
          Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
          Meanwhile, have YOU givne up money and gone to a non-economic existence/lifestyle ???
          Of course not. But making money is not my ultimate goal in life. Other things are more important than that. And I wouldn't do anything just to enrich myself.

          Unfortunately, that isn't the case for Trump and his family. And that is one of the reasons he is not a good president. He's using the office to enrich himself.
          We are not now that strength which in old days
          Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
          Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
          To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
            Back onto topic, recent article in The Hill.

            http://thehill.com/opinion/white-hou...ssian-oligarch

            It appears that Mueller, as Director, along with Andrew McCabe, directly involved a Russian Aluminum (Aluminium?) Magnate in paying for and facilitating a search for a former FBI Agent working for the CIA in Iran. Mueller did so because he couldn't use US funds, that would have been illegal. So he used the Russian money to skirt US sanctions.

            In payment to the Russian, that we know of, the FBI facilitated as many as 8 Diplomatic Visas for him to visit the US (he isn't and wasn't a diplomat) and at least 1 Visa under the FBI's "Parole" exceptions.....the Russian was already being investigated for possible illegal activity.

            And now this Russian is one that's been looked into for 'collusion' related stuff. Collusion? He was colluding just fine with Director Mueller, Deputy Director McCabe, and other FBI officials less than a decade ago.....
            Very interesting article and read. Would seem Mueller is guilty of illegal activities with the FBI and in his capacity as it's boss, along with a classic case of 'kettle calling pot black'.

            Even more interesting is indication that Dept. of State, SOS H. Clinton, and POTUS Obama not only acted to thwart these efforts to find and free an American held by Iran, but may also be guilty of treason in their efforts to aid an enemy nation of the USA, Iran.
            TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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            • #36
              Here's a good analysis of the illegality of Mueller's investigation as it now stands in the Wall Street Journal

              https://www.wsj.com/articles/mueller...edium=referral

              At issue is the Constitution’s Appointments Clause, which provides that “principal officers” must be appointed by the president with the Senate’s consent. Rehnquist wrote that independent counsel Alexia Morrison qualified as an “inferior officer,” not subject to the appointment process, because her office was “limited in jurisdiction” to “certain federal officials suspected of certain serious federal crimes.”

              Mr. Mueller, in contrast, is investigating a large number of people and has already charged defendants with many different kinds of crimes, including—as in Mr. Manafort’s case—ones unrelated to any collaboration between the Trump campaign and Russia. That’s too much power for an inferior officer to have. Only a principal officer, such as a U.S. attorney, can behave the way Mr. Mueller is behaving. Mr. Mueller is much more powerful today than any of the 96 U.S. attorneys. He is behaving like a principal officer.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Massena View Post
                And I wouldn't do anything just to enrich myself.
                You have not demonstrated any capacity to enrich yourself.

                Most POTUS were highly successful in their chosen careers before taking office, yet you single out Trump.

                *cough*Jealousy*cough*
                Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Massena View Post
                  Just curious. .. ... how many subpoenas have been issued to entities that didn't exist at the time? Like concord catering perhaps?

                  https://www.westernjournal.com/lawye...t-didnt-exist/
                  Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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                  • #39
                    More raw sewage flowing downhill from the top. If Trump wasn't scared of Mueller and the investigation, he'd keep his mouth shut and let the investigation arrive at its conclusion.

                    He's over-stepping his authority...

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp
                    We are not now that strength which in old days
                    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Massena View Post
                      More raw sewage flowing downhill from the top. If Trump wasn't scared of Mueller and the investigation, he'd keep his mouth shut and let the investigation arrive at its conclusion.

                      He's over-stepping his authority...

                      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp
                      No, he's not. The Justice Department works for him just as it did (and grossly abused its power) for Obama. He can't tell Congress or the Supreme Court what to do, but he can tell his administration what to do.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                        No, he's not. The Justice Department works for him just as it did (and grossly abused its power) for Obama. He can't tell Congress or the Supreme Court what to do, but he can tell his administration what to do.
                        The Justice Department and the FBI do not work for the president. They work independently for the American people and take their oath of service to the Constitution, not any person.

                        In short, the Justice Department is not the president's legal office and the FBI is not the president's personal investigative agency. If you think they are, you are completely in error.

                        You might actually make an attempt to prove your point, but as usual on this forum, the Trumpettes, like Trump himself, do not attempt to 'prove' anything, they actually believe that their opinions are facts, in point of fact 'alternate facts' which end up being incorrect.
                        We are not now that strength which in old days
                        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                        • #42
                          What amazes me is that it would be difficult to find something a New York real estate tycoon did that was illegal. Very few people could withstand the kind of scrutiny Trump has been subjected to. I'm pretty sure Mueller could not.
                          We hunt the hunters

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Massena View Post

                            The Justice Department and the FBI do not work for the president. They work independently for the American people and take their oath of service to the Constitution, not any person.

                            In short, the Justice Department is not the president's legal office and the FBI is not the president's personal investigative agency. If you think they are, you are completely in error.

                            You might actually make an attempt to prove your point, but as usual on this forum, the Trumpettes, like Trump himself, do not attempt to 'prove' anything, they actually believe that their opinions are facts, in point of fact 'alternate facts' which end up being incorrect.
                            Actually, they do. The President can hire and fire US attorneys at his leisure, appoints an attorney general who can be fired at any time. The director of the FBI is appointed by the President. Congress has oversight authority to make sure the FBI and DoJ don't become the President's personal tools, but if they're not doing their job... remember J Edgar Hoover...?

                            So, you are wrong once more, like usual.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
                              What amazes me is that it would be difficult to find something a New York real estate tycoon did that was illegal. Very few people could withstand the kind of scrutiny Trump has been subjected to. I'm pretty sure Mueller could not.
                              And, so far Mueller hasn't. He's gotten a couple of minnows for lying under oath, and Manafort for wire and bank fraud unrelated to the Russia thing, but that might fall apart by trial as it looks like the evidence gathering was specious at best. The "Russian" hackers look like they're going to tear Mueller apart. One has already responded to their indictment and wants discovery... something the Mueller team is trying their best to avoid... because they claim the company indicted didn't even exist when the indictment claims it did, among other things. Discovery could completely undermine the Mueller investigation as they have to put everything on the table and if it smells like week old fish, Mueller is done.

                              Seems to me Mueller's team is made up of amateurs and loose cannons who are doing their damnedest to torpedo their own investigation while spinning their wheels on anything substantial.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                                And, so far Mueller hasn't. He's gotten a couple of minnows for lying under oath .
                                The National Security Adviser is a minnow now?

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