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  • #16
    Originally posted by craven View Post
    the question is this on the teachers or other factors. as far outcomes
    I believe that learning starts before a child is enrolled in a school. It starts at the family level with parents that are more than just breeders. It takes an involved mom and/or dad to instill in their child a healthy thirst for knowledge and technique. Too many parents are satisfied to use electronic baby sitters during the formative years of their offspring instead of actively paying attention to their educational needs.
    And then, when the child turns five and is enrolled in the first grade, those same parents sit back, dust off their hands, pour a drink and say "OK education system, we've done our part, now they're YOUR responsibility..."
    And the kid fails because why?
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Jose50 View Post
      I believe that learning starts before a child is enrolled in a school. It starts at the family level with parents that are more than just breeders. It takes an involved mom and/or dad to instill in their child a healthy thirst for knowledge and technique. Too many parents are satisfied to use electronic baby sitters during the formative years of their offspring instead of actively paying attention to their educational needs.
      And then, when the child turns five and is enrolled in the first grade, those same parents sit back, dust off their hands, pour a drink and say "OK education system, we've done our part, now they're YOUR responsibility..."
      And the kid fails because why?
      The whole system fails the young. The home, the society and the schools no longer form a cohesive social structure in which a young person grows to adulthood and learns along the way.

      What they do pickup is morally and ethically wrong, but it reflects the corrupt values of America at this time.

      Take a look at movies and TV - the bad guys are usually the role models now. The rich guys on the streets are the druggers and pimps. Sex is incorporated into everything from the advertising agencies down to how stars dress and act and how movies and TV have conditioned the young to see the sexual inter-relationships with the opposite sex.

      Money and flashy cars outweigh a good education, a hard word ethic and a promising future because it isn't glamorous enough or instantly available. Working for it the hard way isn't "instant" enough, and not nearly gratifying enough. Everything has to be NOW.

      Te "nuclear" family broke down almost immediately after WWII in the scramble for all of the things that people had been deprived of by the war, and it never recovered in most of America.
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      • #18
        It really started to breakdown in the 60's when the culture shifted Left. You got things like the expectation that women would have careers, same as men and somehow also still raise a family. When that didn't fly, it became Hillary's "It takes a village..." and all day child care, day care, and all day kindergarten were the answer.
        Sex became "free love," and with the invention of contraceptives and legalization of abortion women could ostensively engage in extra-marital sex like men with no consequences. The adoption of the welfare state under LBJ finished the destruction by making it possible for single women to rely on government for their living costs rather than a husband, or even themselves. Single parenthood skyrocketed, and was even celebrated (remember that Murphy Brown episode celebrating this?).

        Then along comes Jimmy Carter and makes education a federal issue with a new Department of Education that has led a precipitous decline in the quality of US K to 12education ever since.

        Then you add the loss of the work ethic where teenagers can't get most jobs any more due either to health and safety regulations or minimum wage increases that have made it uneconomical to hire, train, and risk using them on the job.

        It's all combining to produce generations of lazy, whiney, potatoes that expect instant self-gratification at every turn and who are hypersensitive to the slightest negative suggestion of their behavior.

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        • #19
          How Politically Biased Are Colleges? New Study Finds It's Far Worse Than Anybody Thought.

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          It's no secret that the majority of the faculty at our colleges and universities lean heavily to the left and generally support the Democratic Party's agenda, and study after study over the last few decades has shown that ideological and political imbalance to be growing increasingly more dramatic. A new study has produced perhaps the most eye-opening findings yet.
          An extensive study of 8,688 tenure-track professors at 51 of the 66 top-ranked liberal arts colleges in the U.S. published by the National Association of Scholars found that the ratio of faculty members registered as Democrats compared to those registered Republican is now a stunning 10.4 to 1. If two military colleges that are technically described as "liberal arts colleges" are removed from the calculations, the ratio is 12.7 to 1.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
            How Politically Biased Are Colleges? New Study Finds It's Far Worse Than Anybody Thought.

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            It's no secret that the majority of the faculty at our colleges and universities lean heavily to the left and generally support the Democratic Party's agenda, and study after study over the last few decades has shown that ideological and political imbalance to be growing increasingly more dramatic. A new study has produced perhaps the most eye-opening findings yet.
            An extensive study of 8,688 tenure-track professors at 51 of the 66 top-ranked liberal arts colleges in the U.S. published by the National Association of Scholars found that the ratio of faculty members registered as Democrats compared to those registered Republican is now a stunning 10.4 to 1. If two military colleges that are technically described as "liberal arts colleges" are removed from the calculations, the ratio is 12.7 to 1.
            ...
            https://www.dailywire.com/news/30222...aign=position7
            "Liberal Arts" colleges pretty much sums up the problem. how about the normal colleges that are supposed to prepare students for productive lives?
            Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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