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  • #16
    Originally posted by jeffdoorgunnr View Post
    How many times is this record gonna be played? I'm too tired to get into this again..............union member for 37 years. At the very least I can safely say that mine actually saved lives...........That's good enough reason for a union in my mind.
    You also worked in an industry that is inherently dangerous and way back when had no standards enforced upon it by anyone. That's the reason for unions to exist, where there need to be standards, both in wages but especially in safety and employee welfare. By the time the first fast food restaurant came to be there were already standards for the industry, and fast food is in no way a 'dangerous' job to have (unless you get shot during a robbery I guess). There's simply no reason for a union to exist, and it's just an unnecessary layer of bureaucracy.

    Of course, if someone wants to pay money for nothing to a union, then that's their business and they are free to do so. Best thing about an unskilled industry.....you can't effectively strike because there will ALWAYS be people willing to work if the pay is adequate.
    Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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    • #17
      This will drive up fast food costs, along with the legislative concept that burger flippers should make a lot more money for menial labor.

      Nothing like unions to really screw things up. I'm anticipating the Japanese style fast food places run robotically to show up much sooner now.
      Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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      • #18
        In this case, unions will speed the demise of the unskilled food service job. The chains will automate, and the mom & pop places will close.

        So instead of have a minimum wage job, these people will have no job at all.
        Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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        • #19
          In Alberta the minimum wage is being raised to $15 an hour later this year by the accidental socialist government we're stuck with till next year and almost every fast food restaurant and Walmarts have now increased the amount of their self checkout machines this year.
          The Soviet and Castro fans can't ever understand that businesses need to make money and don't ever want to become a part of some collective.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Snowshoveler View Post
            In Alberta the minimum wage is being raised to $15 an hour later this year by the accidental socialist government we're stuck with till next year and almost every fast food restaurant and Walmarts have now increased the amount of their self checkout machines this year.
            The Soviet and Castro fans can't ever understand that businesses need to make money and don't ever want to become a part of some collective.
            They did the same thing in Flagstaff a few years ago, voted to increase the minimum wage, expecting the owners to eat the cost. Instead, they raised the prices of their products. In the case of restaurants, most, at least the "mom and pop" types, stopped providing complimentary things like free chips and salsa or free drink refills. It was fun to listen to all the libs cry and moan about it, even though they had been warned about it before it was voted in.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by phil74501 View Post
              They did the same thing in Flagstaff a few years ago, voted to increase the minimum wage, expecting the owners to eat the cost. Instead, they raised the prices of their products. In the case of restaurants, most, at least the "mom and pop" types, stopped providing complimentary things like free chips and salsa or free drink refills. It was fun to listen to all the libs cry and moan about it, even though they had been warned about it before it was voted in.
              Yep Social justice warriors end up doing more harm to the people they want to help with their retarded economic policies than anyone else.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Snowshoveler View Post
                In Alberta the minimum wage is being raised to $15 an hour later this year by the accidental socialist government we're stuck with till next year and almost every fast food restaurant and Walmarts have now increased the amount of their self checkout machines this year.
                The Soviet and Castro fans can't ever understand that businesses need to make money and don't ever want to become a part of some collective.
                What they, the Leftist types, don't get is trying to force other people to become some version of Mother Theresa and act altruistically never, ever works. Instead, those they'd force to give away their hard earned wealth, jack up prices, close their business, move somewhere else, or change their economic patterns to avoid the increased costs associated with Socialists wanting to spend OPM.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Snowshoveler View Post
                  Yep Social justice warriors end up doing more harm to the people they want to help with their retarded economic policies than anyone else.
                  They don't want to help, they just want to appear important.
                  Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by johns624 View Post
                    A union is only as good as its members.
                    Provided - the membership are not a bunch of "Brainwashed Sheep" that have their dues used to fund Democrats, don't provide a yearly fat six figure+, the first number much larger then one, paycheck to the union president, and are not told to vote straight ticket Democrat in the elections. (UAW in the 70s who's greed resulted in jobs being outsourced out of the country and teacher union that allowed the public schools to become babysitting centers of unruly students turning them into dumb brainwashed sheep.)

                    Forum is becoming flaky in typing post with several second delays again.
                    “Breaking News,”

                    “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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                    • #25
                      $15 minimum wage. Geez, if only I could have had that when I was a kid.

                      No one deserves that much money for MINIMUM WAGE.
                      The First Amendment applies to SMS, Emails, Blogs, online news, the Fourth applies to your cell phone, computer, and your car, but the Second only applies to muskets?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                        They don't want to help, they just want to appear important.
                        And blame everyone but themselves when their own horse💩 policies fail.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                          That is one industry where unions have worked. In most, they simply take worker's money and do little or nothing. Unions are usually necessary in places where the workers are stuck in a "career" that has low pay and little chance for advancement, where the employer is taking wholesale advantage of them.
                          I can remember the company stores here in Arizona that Phelps-Dodge ran. There are still a few company towns here like Duncan and Bagdad too. So, the mines are an exception where a union is necessary.

                          But, in most work environments, the union only drives up wages beyond market value and kills the goose that lays the golden egg. Look at what unions and greedy Democrat government did to Detroit.

                          Fast food isn't supposed to be a career choice. It's supposed to be a starter job, or maybe a second job for some extra money. It isn't something you work at for 30 years and then retire from.

                          Mining takes skill, particularly today. It's hard work and requires specific knowledge to perform. The corporations that do it also have room to advance from being just a miner to more skilled positions that pay better too. There isn't much room to move up as a fry cook...
                          "mine" meaning MY union.............railroads

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                            This will drive up fast food costs, along with the legislative concept that burger flippers should make a lot more money for menial labor.

                            Nothing like unions to really screw things up. I'm anticipating the Japanese style fast food places run robotically to show up much sooner now.
                            Would you like some hydraulic oil with those fries?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by jeffdoorgunnr View Post
                              Would you like some hydraulic oil with those fries?
                              Never know, might improve the flavor.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by jeffdoorgunnr View Post
                                Would you like some hydraulic oil with those fries?
                                The test units seem to be doing well.

                                Automated food production has been in use for decades in the canned and frozen foods industries.

                                You didn't think those C-rations were prepared by hand, did you?

                                The new aspect is the ordering and individual delivery systems, but the Japanese have been doing that for a while.

                                There are growing numbers of automated fast-food joints, and all this nonsense is just going to accelerate the transition.
                                Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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