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  • Half Pint John
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    No, Obama just commuted the POS's sentence.
    That was a pure crock of $hit move. Life with out parole should have been the verdict. The same that Trump well get.

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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    No, Obama just commuted the POS's sentence.
    Yeah, you're right. Still a BS move, though.

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  • Freebird
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    Originally posted by Cheetah772 View Post
    I don't think it require a conviction in order to be pardoned. I'd have to look up on Internet to check what sort of case law there is on pardons.
    Never actually tested in the Supreme court AFAIK, whether a "blanket pardon" for any unknown crimes is valid
    Last edited by Freebird; 13 Apr 18, 22:17.

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  • Nichols
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    Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
    Let's not be a hypocrite here. Obama also had the power to pardon whoever he wanted and that didn't stop republicans from crying over who he pardoned.

    The difference here is Obama didn't use that power in an attempt to avoid the law himself.
    When did Trump use his power to avoid the law by pardoning someone?

    This is a classic example of how this country is going off the deep end. If Trump does pardon someone to avoid the law....then there is a discussion. Right now this is like a high school debating club......

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
    Bobo pardoned that gender-confused PFC who dumped classified matyerial on the Net.
    No, Obama just commuted the POS's sentence.

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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    Bobo pardoned that gender-confused PFC who dumped classified matyerial on the Net.

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
    Lawless and 0 accountability. New republican values?
    I think its going to be very hard to top Clinton's pardon of Marc Rich for sheer arrogance, quid pro quo, and just overt payoff to get one.

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  • Half Pint John
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    Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
    Let's not be a hypocrite here. Obama also had the power to pardon whoever he wanted and that didn't stop republicans from crying over who he pardoned.

    The difference here is Obama didn't use that power in an attempt to avoid the law himself.

    If there's nothing to hide why would Trump need to do this?
    THAT IS THE QUESTION

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  • TactiKill J.
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    Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
    So all the guilty SOB's get a free pass. Is that your America? What are all of you afraid of Mueller finding. Did you all have sex with Trump?
    Lawless and 0 accountability. New republican values?

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  • TactiKill J.
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    Originally posted by Cheetah772 View Post
    FYI, before any liberal rushes in and tell us how this is wrong, President Trump DOES HAVE constitutional power to pardon anyone anywhere, and anytime. He does not have to go through lengthy clemency process, he can do it immediately. According to news, Libby did not go through the process, rather it was done on White House's initiative.
    Let's not be a hypocrite here. Obama also had the power to pardon whoever he wanted and that didn't stop republicans from crying over who he pardoned.

    The difference here is Obama didn't use that power in an attempt to avoid the law himself.

    If there's nothing to hide why would Trump need to do this?

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  • Half Pint John
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    Originally posted by Cheetah772 View Post
    Actually, it may be still a useful deterrent for anyone investigated by Mueller. They now have no longer any incentive to make a deal with Mueller. If Trump makes it clear he will pardon anyone, then anyone can shut up and wait out Mueller. Mueller doesn't have any leverage left to force any suspect to make a deal with him.
    So all the guilty SOB's get a free pass. Is that your America? What are all of you afraid of Mueller finding. Did you all have sex with Trump?

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  • Pruitt
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    Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon of any and all crimes before he was convicted.

    Pruitt

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  • Cheetah772
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    Originally posted by Herman Hum View Post
    Why should Mueller see any potential Presidential pardon as a deterrent?

    Once charges are laid and if a conviction is found, Mueller's actions will be vindicated. The fact that they are annulled in the end does not erase the legitimacy of the charges or the conviction. It might be a waste of investigatory time and money, but the truth will still be revealed.
    Actually, it may be still a useful deterrent for anyone investigated by Mueller. They now have no longer any incentive to make a deal with Mueller. If Trump makes it clear he will pardon anyone, then anyone can shut up and wait out Mueller. Mueller doesn't have any leverage left to force any suspect to make a deal with him.

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  • Cheetah772
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    Originally posted by johns624 View Post
    They have to be convicted before they can be pardoned. If you pardon too many of your own close associates, that just raises new questions.
    I don't think it require a conviction in order to be pardoned. I'd have to look up on Internet to check what sort of case law there is on pardons.

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  • Herman Hum
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    Originally posted by Cheetah772 View Post
    2.) As a warning shot across the bow to Mueller. If he sees Trump is willing to issue pardons to anyone interviewed by Mueller's team or charged with something, Mueller may find it prudent to hang up his cape. Otherwise, it's wartime between Trump and Mueller.
    Why should Mueller see any potential Presidential pardon as a deterrent?

    Once charges are laid and if a conviction is found, Mueller's actions will be vindicated. The fact that they are annulled in the end does not erase the legitimacy of the charges or the conviction. It might be a waste of investigatory time and money, but the truth will still be revealed.

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