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  • Trump Poised to Pardon Scooter Libby

    President Trump is set to pardon Scooter Libby, the former aide to Vice President Dick Cheney.

    Libby was charged with the same crime of lying to the investigators as Flynn was. Like Flynn, Libby was found guilty on the charge and was supposed to serve a 30-month prison sentence. President Bush commuted Libby's prison sentence but left his conviction on the record.

    Why?

    I think for two reasons Trump is doing this.

    1.) As a trial balloon. He's testing the water to see how much the stink both media and Democrats will raise if he were to pardon Flynn.

    2.) As a warning shot across the bow to Mueller. If he sees Trump is willing to issue pardons to anyone interviewed by Mueller's team or charged with something, Mueller may find it prudent to hang up his cape. Otherwise, it's wartime between Trump and Mueller.

    This is only the beginning.

    FYI, before any liberal rushes in and tell us how this is wrong, President Trump DOES HAVE constitutional power to pardon anyone anywhere, and anytime. He does not have to go through lengthy clemency process, he can do it immediately. According to news, Libby did not go through the process, rather it was done on White House's initiative.

    Trump broke no law on this one. It's not in conflict with the Constitution.

    Personally I think it's long overdue for Libby to receive a presidential pardon.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/presi...ry?id=54433032
    President Donald Trump is poised to pardon Scooter J. Libby, the former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, according to sources familiar with the presidentís thinking.

    The president has already signed off on the pardon, which is something he has been considering for several months, sources told ABC News.
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  • #2
    Originally posted by Cheetah772 View Post
    P2.) As a warning shot across the bow to Mueller. If he sees Trump is willing to issue pardons to anyone interviewed by Mueller's team or charged with something, Mueller may find it prudent to hang up his cape. Otherwise, it's wartime between Trump and Mueller.
    They have to be convicted before they can be pardoned. If you pardon too many of your own close associates, that just raises new questions.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Cheetah772 View Post
      2.) As a warning shot across the bow to Mueller. If he sees Trump is willing to issue pardons to anyone interviewed by Mueller's team or charged with something, Mueller may find it prudent to hang up his cape. Otherwise, it's wartime between Trump and Mueller.
      Why should Mueller see any potential Presidential pardon as a deterrent?

      Once charges are laid and if a conviction is found, Mueller's actions will be vindicated. The fact that they are annulled in the end does not erase the legitimacy of the charges or the conviction. It might be a waste of investigatory time and money, but the truth will still be revealed.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by johns624 View Post
        They have to be convicted before they can be pardoned. If you pardon too many of your own close associates, that just raises new questions.
        I don't think it require a conviction in order to be pardoned. I'd have to look up on Internet to check what sort of case law there is on pardons.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Herman Hum View Post
          Why should Mueller see any potential Presidential pardon as a deterrent?

          Once charges are laid and if a conviction is found, Mueller's actions will be vindicated. The fact that they are annulled in the end does not erase the legitimacy of the charges or the conviction. It might be a waste of investigatory time and money, but the truth will still be revealed.
          Actually, it may be still a useful deterrent for anyone investigated by Mueller. They now have no longer any incentive to make a deal with Mueller. If Trump makes it clear he will pardon anyone, then anyone can shut up and wait out Mueller. Mueller doesn't have any leverage left to force any suspect to make a deal with him.
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          • #6
            Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon of any and all crimes before he was convicted.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Cheetah772 View Post
              Actually, it may be still a useful deterrent for anyone investigated by Mueller. They now have no longer any incentive to make a deal with Mueller. If Trump makes it clear he will pardon anyone, then anyone can shut up and wait out Mueller. Mueller doesn't have any leverage left to force any suspect to make a deal with him.
              So all the guilty SOB's get a free pass. Is that your America? What are all of you afraid of Mueller finding. Did you all have sex with Trump?
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Cheetah772 View Post
                FYI, before any liberal rushes in and tell us how this is wrong, President Trump DOES HAVE constitutional power to pardon anyone anywhere, and anytime. He does not have to go through lengthy clemency process, he can do it immediately. According to news, Libby did not go through the process, rather it was done on White House's initiative.
                Let's not be a hypocrite here. Obama also had the power to pardon whoever he wanted and that didn't stop republicans from crying over who he pardoned.

                The difference here is Obama didn't use that power in an attempt to avoid the law himself.

                If there's nothing to hide why would Trump need to do this?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                  So all the guilty SOB's get a free pass. Is that your America? What are all of you afraid of Mueller finding. Did you all have sex with Trump?
                  Lawless and 0 accountability. New republican values?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                    Let's not be a hypocrite here. Obama also had the power to pardon whoever he wanted and that didn't stop republicans from crying over who he pardoned.

                    The difference here is Obama didn't use that power in an attempt to avoid the law himself.

                    If there's nothing to hide why would Trump need to do this?
                    THAT IS THE QUESTION
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                      Lawless and 0 accountability. New republican values?
                      I think its going to be very hard to top Clinton's pardon of Marc Rich for sheer arrogance, quid pro quo, and just overt payoff to get one.

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                      • #12
                        Bobo pardoned that gender-confused PFC who dumped classified matyerial on the Net.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                          Bobo pardoned that gender-confused PFC who dumped classified matyerial on the Net.
                          No, Obama just commuted the POS's sentence.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                            Let's not be a hypocrite here. Obama also had the power to pardon whoever he wanted and that didn't stop republicans from crying over who he pardoned.

                            The difference here is Obama didn't use that power in an attempt to avoid the law himself.
                            When did Trump use his power to avoid the law by pardoning someone?

                            This is a classic example of how this country is going off the deep end. If Trump does pardon someone to avoid the law....then there is a discussion. Right now this is like a high school debating club......
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Cheetah772 View Post
                              I don't think it require a conviction in order to be pardoned. I'd have to look up on Internet to check what sort of case law there is on pardons.
                              Never actually tested in the Supreme court AFAIK, whether a "blanket pardon" for any unknown crimes is valid
                              Last edited by Freebird; 13 Apr 18, 22:17.

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