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    In keeping with recent self-defense/property crime issues I give you the following.

    'Eddie's not a criminal': Support for landowner accused of shooting trespasser continues as case adjourned

    Case has become a flashpoint over rural property owner rights and use of force
    David Bell · CBC News · Posted: Apr 06, 2018 11:42 AM MT |

    From the CBC:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...rned-1.4608356

    Dozens of supporters of Edouard Maurice clapped as he arrived at a courthouse in Okotoks, Alta., on Friday morning.

    Maurice was charged after he allegedly shot a trespasser on his rural southern Alberta property in late February.

    'Like sitting ducks': Rural property owners looking for use-of-force solutions

    The man he allegedly shot, Ryan Watson, is also facing a number of charges. A second person on the property during the incident, Stephanie Martens, has been charged as well.

    The case has become a flashpoint over property owner rights and use of force.

    Acreage owner Sandra Moore says many people have reached their limit.

    "We've been victims of thieves three times now and we are really tired of it," Moore said.

    "Eddie's not a criminal. He's the nicest young man you could ever want to meet. He's the salt of the earth. He's been persecuted for defending himself, his property. It's wrong."

    Supporter Iris Allsopp lives south of the town and says her neighbours are on edge.

    "We are all victims of potential violence," she said.

    "We are here to support that landowners should have the right to protect their property. Realistically, it takes the RCMP quite a while to get to your property, and by that time the damage is done. So we need to protect ourselves. You don't know how you will act until it happens."

    ...

    Province unveils $10M plan to deal with rural crime in Alberta

    Common problem
    Just Wednesday, RCMP responded to an alarm call at a Red Deer County rural property, catching two suspected thieves in the act.

    Sheldon Richard Metcalf, 46, was charged with break and enter and 36-year-old Lyle Stanton Dean Whitesel was charged with break and enter and other offences.

    "This witness did the right thing and stayed safe by calling police," Innisfail RCMP said in a Friday release.

    Meanwhile, Maurice's case was adjourned until April 20.

    In brief, the accused, Edouard Maurice, was initially charged with three counts of aggravated assault, pointing a firearm and careless use of a firearm. Unless he can show, beyond reasonable doubt, that he feared for his life or serious bodily harm, he will in all likelihood be convicted. The Crown in Canada will not allow or support the use of deadly force i.e. a firearm, to evict a trespasser, or to deter a thief, when it comes to property, because it smells of vigilantism and the Crown reserves the administration of justice, and penalty, unto itself.
    "I am Groot"
    - Groot

  • #2
    Originally posted by Marmat View Post
    In keeping with recent self-defense/property crime issues I give you the following.




    In brief, the accused, Edouard Maurice, was initially charged with three counts of aggravated assault, pointing a firearm and careless use of a firearm. Unless he can show, beyond reasonable doubt, that he feared for his life or serious bodily harm, he will in all likelihood be convicted. The Crown in Canada will not allow or support the use of deadly force i.e. a firearm, to evict a trespasser, or to deter a thief, when it comes to property, because it smells of vigilantism and the Crown reserves the administration of justice, and penalty, unto itself.
    Ever since the recession in Alberta started rural crime has risen significantly and the soon to be flushed out socialist parasite government has not only mocked but have done nothing for years to help out rural Albertans and using force to protect themselves and their property are the only options left to them.
    The laws on defending oneself and your property in this country need to change since the police aren't always going to be there to help.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Snowshoveler View Post
      Ever since the recession in Alberta started rural crime has risen significantly and the soon to be flushed out socialist parasite government has not only mocked but have done nothing for years to help out rural Albertans and using force to protect themselves and their property are the only options left to them.
      The laws on defending oneself and your property in this country need to change since the police aren't always going to be there to help.
      I would suggest in the more rural areas owning a backhoe. That way the 'evidence' will disappear... It's always worked or the Mafia...

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      • #4
        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
        I would suggest in the more rural areas owning a backhoe. That way the 'evidence' will disappear... It's always worked or the Mafia...
        That's what it's coming too unfortunately.

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        • #5
          Except, ...

          Originally posted by Snowshoveler View Post
          Ever since the recession in Alberta started rural crime has risen significantly and the soon to be flushed out socialist parasite government has not only mocked but have done nothing for years to help out rural Albertans and using force to protect themselves and their property are the only options left to them.
          The laws on defending oneself and your property in this country need to change since the police aren't always going to be there to help.
          ... criminal offenses in Canada are a federal responsibility i.e. the Criminal Code of Canada. The offenses of aggravated assault, pointing a firearm and careless use of a firearm are the same, whether you live in Alberta, Quebec, or Newfoundland, as are the penalties. The provinces are responsible for administration, appointing crown attorney's, judges etc., but that's it. It takes time for a newly elected government to work its way through sitting judges to apply any sort of will over how they adjudicate.
          "I am Groot"
          - Groot

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          • #6
            I was always more inclined ...

            Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
            I would suggest in the more rural areas owning a backhoe. That way the 'evidence' will disappear... It's always worked or the Mafia...
            ... towards using an issue flashlight. Much more innocuous than a baton, and usually already at hand.
            "I am Groot"
            - Groot

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Snowshoveler View Post
              Ever since the recession in Alberta started rural crime has risen significantly and the soon to be flushed out socialist parasite government has not only mocked but have done nothing for years to help out rural Albertans and using force to protect themselves and their property are the only options left to them.
              The laws on defending oneself and your property in this country need to change since the police aren't always going to be there to help.
              Alberta officially says bye-bye to the recession — but the economy will be slow to recover, ATB forecasts

              http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...-gas-1.4269136
              "Ask not what your country can do for you"

              Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

              you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Marmat View Post
                ... criminal offenses in Canada are a federal responsibility i.e. the Criminal Code of Canada. The offenses of aggravated assault, pointing a firearm and careless use of a firearm are the same, whether you live in Alberta, Quebec, or Newfoundland, as are the penalties. The provinces are responsible for administration, appointing crown attorney's, judges etc., but that's it. It takes time for a newly elected government to work its way through sitting judges to apply any sort of will over how they adjudicate.
                Yep the Feds need to change the Laws but that won't ever happen with the Liberals in charge hope the Conservatives when they get back in and it looks like soon they do make the changes this time.
                Doing things just based on just because Canadians aren't Americans doesn't always do us all a service like with the rural crime crisis.

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                • #9
                  We may be ...

                  Originally posted by Snowshoveler View Post
                  Yep the Feds need to change the Laws but that won't ever happen with the Liberals in charge hope the Conservatives when they get back in and it looks like soon they do make the changes this time.
                  Doing things just based on just because Canadians aren't Americans doesn't always do us all a service like with the rural crime crisis.
                  ... much more alike than different, but historically Americans diverged from the "First Empire" long before their Revolution, which entrenched rights to both property and firearms. We of the "Second Empire", Commonwealth et. al. who acquired democracy under far less violent means value our "Peace, Order and Good Government", there's no "a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" in our past.

                  Whether Tory or Grit federally, they're more centrist than polarized and aren't all that different in government, the citizenry may be fickle but the Establishment supports both in equal measure. Unfortunately the NDP has acquired traction in several provinces; handy enough as a social consciousness in opposition, they carry special interest groups with them when they form governments and are a pain in the arse. If there's something the citizenry does tend to support in equanimity in Canada it's humanity over possessions, I don't think we'll see that changed and thieves allowed to be shot out of hand, or a return to capital punishment, even as applied to Lifers for the murder of a police officer or prison guard.

                  Property Crime in Canada has decreased annually, from 2006 to 2014, that meant a total decrease of 1/3rd, which is truly significant; it went up a bit in 2015 but plateaued in 2016. There's nothing all that difficult when it comes to rural policing, clearance rates in rural areas are some the highest in the country. The RCMP in Alberta will get their shite together, any tinkering will be minor in comparison to wholesale adoption of "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness", it's just who we are.
                  "I am Groot"
                  - Groot

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Marmat View Post
                    ... much more alike than different, but historically Americans diverged from the "First Empire" long before their Revolution, which entrenched rights to both property and firearms. We of the "Second Empire", Commonwealth et. al. who acquired democracy under far less violent means value our "Peace, Order and Good Government", there's no "a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" in our past.

                    Whether Tory or Grit federally, they're more centrist than polarized and aren't all that different in government, the citizenry may be fickle but the Establishment supports both in equal measure. Unfortunately the NDP has acquired traction in several provinces; handy enough as a social consciousness in opposition, they carry special interest groups with them when they form governments and are a pain in the arse. If there's something the citizenry does tend to support in equanimity in Canada it's humanity over possessions, I don't think we'll see that changed and thieves allowed to be shot out of hand, or a return to capital punishment, even as applied to the murder of a police officer or prison guard.

                    Property Crime in Canada has decreased annually, from 2006 to 2014, that meant a total decrease of 1/3rd, which is truly significant; it went up a bit in 2015 but plateaued in 2016. There's nothing all that difficult when it comes to rural policing, clearance rates in rural areas are some the highest in the country. The RCMP in Alberta will get their shite together, any tinkering will be minor in comparison to wholesale adoption of "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness", it's just who we are.
                    Most in Western Canada haven't much problems with criminals being shot to stop their crimes especially with rural people like in this case the Mounties haven't been helped financially much until this budget by the Alberta government to combat rural crimes I hope it helps but hardly nobody around here is going to be upset if another criminal robbing a farmer gets shot considering the extremely high crime rate going on now.
                    Last edited by Snowshoveler; 07 Apr 18, 17:41.

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                    • #11
                      I might recommend owning multiple working dogs. German Shepherds would be a good pick for the climate, Rottweilers might be as well. Well trained they'd stay on your property and be no bother to anyone, but would apprehend suspects trying to break into your mess and would defend your property. Plus, K9s have been determined to be a less lethal force option.....and a property known to have 2-4 Shepherds that WILL give you scars if you try to break in would be a deterrent.

                      Of course, this being Canada, which is like Britain-lite, there's probably an animal control ordinance that declares your dog must be put down even if a burglar on your own property is bit.
                      Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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                      • #12
                        Give him a medal...?
                        Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
                          I might recommend owning multiple working dogs. German Shepherds would be a good pick for the climate, Rottweilers might be as well. Well trained they'd stay on your property and be no bother to anyone, but would apprehend suspects trying to break into your mess and would defend your property. Plus, K9s have been determined to be a less lethal force option.....and a property known to have 2-4 Shepherds that WILL give you scars if you try to break in would be a deterrent.

                          Of course, this being Canada, which is like Britain-lite, there's probably an animal control ordinance that declares your dog must be put down even if a burglar on your own property is bit.
                          Not in Colorado, though!

                          Rotweiler mix and a pit bull.
                          Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                            Not in Colorado, though!

                            Rotweiler mix and a pit bull.
                            Northern Alberta a Tibetan Mastiff would be a pick.

                            https://goo.gl/images/rxyeJf

                            This guy says "Get the off my Lawn!"
                            Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
                              Northern Alberta a Tibetan Mastiff would be a pick.



                              This guy says "Get the off my Lawn!"
                              A mastiff is always a great choice! Just hard to get in my area.

                              We also have two largish indoor dogs that bark very loudly - a pointer and a bassett hound! (and one potbelly pig...) and a partridge in a pear tree...
                              Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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