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  • #46
    Originally posted by pamak View Post
    If Sanders is Marxist, then what were ALL the Jewish politicians who came from Eastern Europe and implemented ideas such as the one of Kibbutz?

    .
    Which has nothing to do with Sanders : Sanders proposes a marxist policy for the problems of the USA and he was a member of the Socialist Party of Alerica .

    The only difference between Sanders and Marx is that Sanders proposes to keep temporarily some levels of capitalism .

    He is also hostile to Israel and supports Muslim terrorism and collaborates with Ellison .

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    • #47
      It makes me tired
      We hunt the hunters

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      • #48
        Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
        Then how are we not closer to war when the Trump admin is on record stating they want regime change in Iran? If we go back on this deal what confidence will North Korea have in coming to an agreement? What it will mean is any country who agrees to give up nuclear will just be attacked later, at a date when they're no longer able to defend their selves as effectively. Essentially, double crossing them.

        If we back out of this deal regardless of how you feel about it, while posturing for war, other countries would be crazy to denuclearize.
        Regime change was cheered when Obama called for it in Egypt, Libya, and Syria... Now regime change is a bad thing? I think a regime change in Iran would be a good thing. That doesn't mean we have to achieve it through war.
        I'd think regime change in N. Korea would be a good thing. Again, we don't necessarily have to go to war to achieve it.

        It seems to me that the argument you are trying to make is Trump is willing and will go to war with these nations to achieve his goal of regime change. That's an absurd stretch I'd say.

        When Obama backed it, he did it in the worst possible way. He backed the ouster of the current despot only to allow terrorists and new despots... ones that are worse... take control because all he did was cheerlead from the sidelines. Countries that were reasonably stable with their current dictator turned into dangerous ones fighting internal civil wars and teetering on the brink of chaos.

        If the US is going to do this sort of stuff, then we need to be willing to get our hands dirty along the way.

        If the US backs out of the Iran deal, one that has never been ratified so isn't even binding to begin with, I doubt it will change anything dramatically. Obama claimed that the deal stretched Iran's getting a nuke out by a decade or two. I doubt it did. They may already have one (or more).
        The UN does a lousy job of arms inspection, so I have no faith in them. Obama clearly had no clue what he was doing so I have no faith in the deal either.
        So far, Trump has been limited to talk when it comes to Iran. For now, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. But, he can hardly do worse than Carter and Obama have with Iran...

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        • #49
          Originally posted by ljadw View Post
          How do YOU know what Kushner is thinking ?

          Iran has said openly that it would destroy Israel and given that it is working on its nuclear potential (which was created by Obama ) a nuclear war in the ME is nearing , and if you think that the USA will not suffer from this war, you are totally wrong .

          There is today already an Iranian occupation army in Iraq (the chief of the Iranian SS was threatening last year the Iraqi Kurds if they organized a referendum about independence ) and there are Iranian military at a few miles of the border of Israel .

          If you think that the Israeli will go willingly to a new Auschwitz, you are wrong : your wishes will not be fulfilled .
          When Kushner works in the background to undermine a resolution against the Israeli settlement expansions, or supports the decision to have Jerusalem recognized as the capital of Israel, I think it is a safe bet that he is aligned with the current Israeli government. As for the Iranian "occupied army" is Iraq, I will disagree with this term. The fact that they have a presence with military advisers and some paramilitary forces is not disputed. Such presence is no different from the western "contractors" or the special forces that they are there. Would you call such presence an "occupation army"? The fact also that Iran is concerned about ISIS like everybody else in the region is not disputed either. The fact that Iran wants to have some type of control in what is happening right outside of its borders in Iraq (a country which started a decade-long war with Iran in the 1980's) is also not disputed. Still despite the above, I do not see any direct challenge of the Iraqie government's sovereignty in the area. If anything, the Kurds possess a much more direct threat for Iraq than anybody else. And in any case, attacking Iran will not make things better in Iraq unless you plan to install a new pro-western government in Iran...
          My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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          • #50
            Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
            It makes me tired
            That's why I use the Ignore feature. It cuts out the whining and TDS bleating.
            Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by pamak View Post
              When Kushner works in the background to undermine a resolution against the Israeli settlement expansions, or supports the decision to have Jerusalem recognized as the capital of Israel, I think it is a safe bet that he is aligned with the current Israeli government. As for the Iranian "occupied army" is Iraq, I will disagree with this term. The fact that they have a presence with military advisers and some paramilitary forces is not disputed. Such presence is no different from the western "contractors" or the special forces that they are there. Would you call such presence an "occupation army"? The fact also that Iran is concerned about ISIS like everybody else in the region is not disputed either. The fact that Iran wants to have some type of control in what is happening right outside of its borders in Iraq (a country which started a decade-long war with Iran in the 1980's) is also not disputed. Still despite the above, I do not see any direct challenge of the Iraqie government's sovereignty in the area. If anything, the Kurds possess a much more direct threat for Iraq than anybody else. And in any case, attacking Iran will not make things better in Iraq unless you plan to install a new pro-western government in Iran...
              Proof that Kushner works in the background ?

              Besides, I still wait for the proof of Kushner's key position in the Trump administration .

              And, as the recognition of Jerusalem as capital of Israel was voted in the past unanimously by Congress, will you say that Congress is aligned with the current Israeli government ?

              Your modern version of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion will not convince many people .

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              • #52
                Originally posted by ljadw View Post
                Proof that Kushner works in the background ?

                Besides, I still wait for the proof of Kushner's key position in the Trump administration .

                And, as the recognition of Jerusalem as capital of Israel was voted in the past unanimously by Congress, will you say that Congress is aligned with the current Israeli government ?

                Your modern version of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion will not convince many people .
                https://www.timesofisrael.com/kushne...un-resolution/

                Kushner reportedly told Flynn to contact Russians over anti-Israel UN resolution
                The quickly deposed ex-White House adviser has admitted to lying to the FBI over his contacts with Kremlin officials during Trump administration transition

                https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings...ewish-leaders/


                Remarks by President Trump and Senior Advisor Jared Kushner on a Call to Jewish Leaders
                The above is from the White House site, and I think the position of "senior advisor" is a key one


                Regarding the issue of Congress, is it news to you that the US is aligned with Israel politically? And the fact that we have an official position by the Trump administration to transfer the embassy (a decision that was indefinitely postponed by every previous president) shows clearly that this administration is very much aligned with the Israeli government.
                My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by pamak View Post
                  https://www.timesofisrael.com/kushne...un-resolution/




                  https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings...ewish-leaders/




                  The above is from the White House site, and I think the position of "senior advisor" is a key one


                  Regarding the issue of Congress, is it news to you that the US is aligned with Israel politically? And the fact that we have an official position by the Trump administration to transfer the embassy (a decision that was indefinitely postponed by every previous president) shows clearly that this administration is very much aligned with the Israeli government.
                  Reportedly is not a proof .

                  The transfer of the embassy was prevented by the Muslim lobby and the transfer shows only that the present president is executing the wish of Congress .

                  Advisor is not a key position, senior or junior : an advisor is giving advice and the man who receives the advice is free to follow it or to throw it in the garbage can .

                  Only a man who decides has a key position, the White House is always swarming with advisors.
                  Last edited by ljadw; 04 Apr 18, 05:47.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by ljadw View Post
                    Reprtedly is not a proof .

                    The transfer of the embassy was prevented by the Muslim lobby .
                    The first report is not proof but the fact that Kushner has a key position in the Trump administration was proven. Also the fact that the Trump administration's position aligns very much with that of the Israeli government is self-evident.
                    And there was not any Muslim lobby that prevented before the move of the embassy. Now it is my turn to ask for proof. The reason it did not happen was because the previous administrations wanted to retain some semblance of objectivity since they wanted to be intermediaries in the negotiations between the Israelis and the Palestinians.
                    Last edited by pamak; 04 Apr 18, 05:54.
                    My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Tuebor View Post
                      Sadly, we don't use nukes anymore.
                      I do hope that 's a joke. The use of nuclear weapons is a non-starter: no one wins and all you end up with is a radioactive ash heap.

                      In short, it's stupid.
                      We are not now that strength which in old days
                      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by pamak View Post
                        The first report is not proof but the fact that Kushner has a key position in the Trump administration was proven. Also the fact that the Trump administration's position aligns very much with that of the Israeli government is self-evident.
                        And there was not any Muslim lobby that prevented before the move of the embassy. Now it is my turn to ask for proof. The reason it did not happen was because the previous administrations wanted to retain some semblance of objectivity since they wanted to be intermediaries in the negotiations between the Israelis and the Palestinians.
                        1) The National World December 4 2017


                        "Palestinians have been lobbying regional leaders to oppose the decision " (= the transfer of the embassy ).

                        2) The position of the Trump administtration does NOT align with that of Israel :the Trump administration acknowledges the reality , which is that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel .

                        3 ) There are NO negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians : the Palestinians, supported by almost all Muslims, want to de stroy Israel and exterminate ALL Jews, not only those in Israel ,something Israel does not support .

                        4) It is NOT in the interest of the USA to be objective (= neutral) in the war between its ally (Israel ) and the enemies of Israel (= Muslims ) who are also the enemies of the USA :afaics, 9/11 was NOT the work of the Mossad .

                        5 ) Even if Israel was not an ally of the USA and the Muslims not the enemies of the USA, it would still be in the interest of the USA to support Israel,because an attempt by the Muslims to destroy Israel will result in a nuclear war,who will result in dozens of millions of victims in the ME and Europe, the destruction of the world economy and of the USA and the advent of a barbarian regime that will last not for centuries, but for millenaries .

                        The more concessions Israel would do,the more eager will be the Muslims in their attempt to destroy Israel .

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by pamak View Post
                          The fact also that Iran is concerned about ISIS like everybody else in the region is not disputed either.


                          The fact that Iran wants to have some type of control in what is happening right outside of its borders in Iraq (a country which started a decade-long war with Iran in the 1980's) is also not disputed...
                          1) Looking at CNN is bad for one's intelligence . The presence of ISIS is benefiting to Iran .


                          2) In other words : the fact that Iran wants to create Gross Iran (my memory is failing, but was there no such thing before the war ? ) by invading Iraq, Yemen and by sending troops to the Mediterranean, is also not disputed .

                          3) What is also not disputed (unless at CNN) is that it took ISIS til last year to attack Iran ;what would be the reason for this ?

                          4) What is also not disputed (unless at Ankara ) is that there were no ISIS attacks on Turkey .A coincidence ?

                          5) What is also not disputed (unless by The Guardian , The Independent, the BBC, CNN, WAPO, NYT,..) is that the defeated ISIS suddenly returned and thats its return coincided with the Turkish invasion of Syria . Curious ?

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Massena View Post
                            I do hope that 's a joke. The use of nuclear weapons is a non-starter: no one wins and all you end up with is a radioactive ash heap.

                            In short, it's stupid.
                            It brought Imperial Japan to the peace tables. And they rebuilt both cities.
                            Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                              It brought Imperial Japan to the peace tables. And they rebuilt both cities.
                              There wasn't any 'peace table'-the surrender terms were unconditional.

                              They quit, pure and simple.

                              And we had a monopoly on nuclear weapons then; we don't now.

                              I suppose you're going to give a recital on your 'expertise' with nuclear weapons.

                              Have at it...
                              We are not now that strength which in old days
                              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                              • #60
                                A nuking a day keeps the terrorist away .

                                If Bin Laden had been nuked, this would have saved the lives of a lot of US soldiers and it would have saved the taxpayer $ billions .

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