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  • #31
    Originally posted by pamak View Post
    Yes, every Jew who criticizes Israel or does not believe that we should bomb all Israel's enemies is a "self-hated Jew." Funny how easy it is for the members of the pro-Israeli lobby to be psychologists and tell Sanders or the other dissenting Jews how they feel deep inside them about their heritage...

    And by the way, since the editorial expresses the official position of the paper, I guess I should believe that most of the Jews who have decided to work in the NYT are self-hated Jews...
    Sanders is a Marxist and Marxists always denied the importance and even the existence of antisemitism .

    When Marxism collapsed, Sanders and other Marxist jumped on the bandwaggon of the supporters of Islam terrorism . On this waggon he is in the company of Stormfront, La Raza, the Muslim Lobby, etc,etc.



    And today's antisemites call themselves anti Sionists .

    No one said that the Jews who work in the NYT are self-hated Jews : most of them no longer consider themselves as Jews .

    Maybe they will regret it later, when ISIS will transport them to Central Station to the waiting trains for New Auschwitz, under the approving eyes of the Potus for Live (Louis Farrakhan ) . But it will be too late .

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    • #32
      Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
      Who you think runs the deep state?
      YOU don't know ?

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Snowshoveler View Post
        How can a Jew not be a self hating Jew if you don't believe Israel shouldn't exist or shouldn't be fighting back against their enemies or put themselves into a dangerous position on their security?
        Israel's enemies can lose a thousand wars but Israel can't afford to lose just once that's the situation they're in and cannot let the self haters to get control of Israel.
        You ASSUME that not bombing Iran equals to endangering or destroying Israel. There are Jews who disagree and actually believe that such actions actually put Israel in more danger. Especially with respect to Iran which does not even have borders with Israel I see nothing good coming out of pushing for a bombardment. Read the NYT editorial. There is an agreement and a mechanism of verification. Sure Iran is still a few years away from developing an atomic bomb and this will never change unless one is willing to bomb Iran to the stone age. Meanwhile, if you think that Iran right now supports Hezbollah, do you REALLY think that bombing them will persuade them to stop supporting Hezbollah? I do not!
        My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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        • #34
          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
          Yes. They grossly overstate the issues. They also give Iran every benefit of the doubt in order to exaggerate Trump's position. It's TDS.
          Then how are we not closer to war when the Trump admin is on record stating they want regime change in Iran? If we go back on this deal what confidence will North Korea have in coming to an agreement? What it will mean is any country who agrees to give up nuclear will just be attacked later, at a date when they're no longer able to defend their selves as effectively. Essentially, double crossing them.

          If we back out of this deal regardless of how you feel about it, while posturing for war, other countries would be crazy to denuclearize.
          "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
          - Benjamin Franklin

          The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by ljadw View Post
            Sanders is a Marxist and Marxists always denied the importance and even the existence of antisemitism .

            When Marxism collapsed, Sanders and other Marxist jumped on the bandwaggon of the supporters of Islam terrorism . On this waggon he is in the company of Stormfront, La Raza, the Muslim Lobby, etc,etc.



            And today's antisemites call themselves anti Sionists .

            No one said that the Jews who work in the NYT are self-hated Jews : most of them no longer consider themselves as Jews .

            Maybe they will regret it later, when ISIS will transport them to Central Station to the waiting trains for New Auschwitz, under the approving eyes of the Potus for Live (Louis Farrakhan ) . But it will be too late .
            If Sanders is Marxist, then what were ALL the Jewish politicians who came from Eastern Europe and implemented ideas such as the one of Kibbutz?

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz


            A kibbutz (Hebrew: קִבּוּץ‬ / קיבוץ‬, lit. "gathering, clustering"; regular plural kibbutzim קִבּוּצִים‬ / קיבוצים‬) is a collective community in Israel that was traditionally based on agriculture. The first kibbutz, established in 1909, was Degania.[1] Today, farming has been partly supplanted by other economic branches, including industrial plants and high-tech enterprises.[2] Kibbutzim began as utopian communities, a combination of socialism and Zionism.[3]
            It seems all Israelis then were anti-Semites..
            My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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            • #36
              Originally posted by craven View Post
              naw due to there tech level they are able to due without things more so than us Americans.

              and I think the rally cry of evil US will allow them to take even more damage than we can
              But their economy is based on exports. It's a symbiotic relationship.
              ALL LIVES SPLATTER!

              BLACK JEEPS MATTER!

              BLACK MOTORCYCLES MATTER!

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              • #37
                Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                Then how are we not closer to war when the Trump admin is on record stating they want regime change in Iran? If we go back on this deal what confidence will North Korea have in coming to an agreement? What it will mean is any country who agrees to give up nuclear will just be attacked later, at a date when they're no longer able to defend their selves as effectively. Essentially, double crossing them.

                If we back out of this deal regardless of how you feel about it, while posturing for war, other countries would be crazy to denuclearize.
                Obama made the deal with Iran. Congress never signed off on it meaning it's really not an official treaty. N. Korea has to deal with Trump, not Obama or Bush. That means they are acting off what they expect Trump to do or not do, not his predecessors.

                As far as war with Iran goes... Their proxies in Yemen are firing antiship missiles at US naval vessels. They continue to support lots of terrorist groups in the Middle East. Obama ignored that while Trump isn't.

                Right now, Iran is no more or less able to defend themselves than they were pre-Obama deal. So, that hasn't changed anything... Unless you really think they already have nuclear weapons and haven't made it public...

                N. Korea does have nukes. But, I think Little Rocket Man has something else in mind given that his saber rattling hasn't gotten him squat other than a threat of annihilation from Trump. Maybe the guy is really willing to cut a deal. That's to be seen.

                The idea that Trump is some warmongering lunatic is only in the fevered imaginations of his enemies on the Left and in the MSM. I think the guy is far more cunning than they will ever give him credit for.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                  Well, the Left has to show it's unwavering support for place like North Korea and Iran too, so....

                  Yeah, 5 a day does seem to be the minimum here.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                    Obama made the deal with Iran. Congress never signed off on it meaning it's really not an official treaty. N. Korea has to deal with Trump, not Obama or Bush. That means they are acting off what they expect Trump to do or not do, not his predecessors.
                    Again, what's the sense in denuclearizing if the deal gets ripped up every 4-8 years?

                    As far as war with Iran goes... Their proxies in Yemen are firing antiship missiles at US naval vessels. They continue to support lots of terrorist groups in the Middle East.
                    And what are Russian proxies doing? Yet, Trump sucks up to Putin.

                    Right now, Iran is no more or less able to defend themselves than they were pre-Obama deal. So, that hasn't changed anything... Unless you really think they already have nuclear weapons and haven't made it public...
                    North Korea is, and if they see the deal with Iran not being honored, why would they lower their defense when we're showing them they'd still be at risk of attack?

                    N. Korea does have nukes. But, I think Little Rocket Man has something else in mind given that his saber rattling hasn't gotten him squat other than a threat of annihilation from Trump. Maybe the guy is really willing to cut a deal. That's to be seen.
                    If that's even what Trump wants, but again, how Iran is handled will impact talks with NK.

                    The idea that Trump is some warmongering lunatic
                    Yeah pretty much.
                    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                    - Benjamin Franklin

                    The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                      Again, what's the sense in denuclearizing if the deal gets ripped up every 4-8 years?
                      The Iranians did it with Obama because the hustled him. They got pallets of cash they could spend and all they had to do to get it was agree superficially that they'd stop trying to get nukes.
                      They knew what they were doing. It was a something for nothing hustle that Obama, the amateur, couldn't see if it hit him in the face.

                      And what are Russian proxies doing? Yet, Trump sucks up to Putin.
                      Red herring argument.

                      North Korea is, and if they see the deal with Iran not being honored, why would they lower their defense when we're showing them they'd still be at risk of attack?
                      Because they are looking for a different deal than Iran?
                      If that's even what Trump wants, but again, how Iran is handled will impact talks with NK.
                      Maybe, maybe not. You and I don't know and can't be sure of that.

                      Yeah pretty much.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by pamak View Post
                        You ASSUME that not bombing Iran equals to endangering or destroying Israel. There are Jews who disagree and actually believe that such actions actually put Israel in more danger. Especially with respect to Iran which does not even have borders with Israel I see nothing good coming out of pushing for a bombardment. Read the NYT editorial. There is an agreement and a mechanism of verification. Sure Iran is still a few years away from developing an atomic bomb and this will never change unless one is willing to bomb Iran to the stone age. Meanwhile, if you think that Iran right now supports Hezbollah, do you REALLY think that bombing them will persuade them to stop supporting Hezbollah? I do not!
                        Iran has been nothing but aggressive towards Israel since their revolution and many in the Iranian government have stated that the destruction of Israel is their end goal if Israel does nothing or tries to appease Iran it just encourages even more aggression from Iran.
                        It's better that Israel be just as aggressive against Iran until they give up on attacking Israel.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                          Red herring argument.
                          Why do you care about Iranian proxies but not Russian proxies that are acting against the US?
                          "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                          - Benjamin Franklin

                          The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                            Why do you care about Iranian proxies but not Russian proxies that are acting against the US?
                            Which Russian proxies are a threat to the US?

                            On the other hand, Iranian proxies in Yemen threaten to close the Red Sea not to mention spread that conflict to Saudi Arabia, where many of our allies depend on oil, close the straight of Hormuz and again cut oil to allies.
                            In Lebanon Hezbollah is a major player and destabilizes that country. They are also stirring up crap in the Emirates, have called for Israel's destruction, and in general are a destabilizing threat to the whole Middle East.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Snowshoveler View Post
                              Iran has been nothing but aggressive towards Israel since their revolution and many in the Iranian government have stated that the destruction of Israel is their end goal if Israel does nothing or tries to appease Iran it just encourages even more aggression from Iran.
                              It's better that Israel be just as aggressive against Iran until they give up on attacking Israel.
                              I am more interested in capabilities than rhetoric. The Soviet Union had also a declared policy to destroy the US and capitalism, and it even had the capacity to do so by accepting mutual destruction. They did not do it! I see the Iranians as pursuing a policy based on rational calculations of their self-interests and not based on some psychotic need to commit massive suicide. In fact, from all states in the area, including Israel, Iran is the only one that never started a conventional war . Sure, they support terrorists that are aligned to their interests just like we did the same thing in Latin America, or when Russians did the same thing all over the world. But the cost of such terrorist actions is too low to justify the opening of a new front. If Israel believes that it is justified, let them do it themselves. I still think that it is wrong and that it will make things worse. And I still believe that the US should not be involved regardless of what Kushner thinks...
                              My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by pamak View Post
                                I am more interested in capabilities than rhetoric. The Soviet Union had also a declared policy to destroy the US and capitalism, and it even had the capacity to do so by accepting mutual destruction. They did not do it! I see the Iranians as pursuing a policy based on rational calculations of their self-interests and not based on some psychotic need to commit massive suicide. In fact, from all states in the area, including Israel, Iran is the only one that never started a conventional war . Sure, they support terrorists that are aligned to their interests just like we did the same thing in Latin America, or when Russians did the same thing all over the world. But the cost of such terrorist actions is too low to justify the opening of a new front. If Israel believes that it is justified, let them do it themselves. I still think that it is wrong and that it will make things worse. And I still believe that the US should not be involved regardless of what Kushner thinks...
                                How do YOU know what Kushner is thinking ?

                                Iran has said openly that it would destroy Israel and given that it is working on its nuclear potential (which was created by Obama ) a nuclear war in the ME is nearing , and if you think that the USA will not suffer from this war, you are totally wrong .

                                There is today already an Iranian occupation army in Iraq (the chief of the Iranian SS was threatening last year the Iraqi Kurds if they organized a referendum about independence ) and there are Iranian military at a few miles of the border of Israel .

                                If you think that the Israeli will go willingly to a new Auschwitz, you are wrong : your wishes will not be fulfilled .

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