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    When the King of American Socialism, Bernie Sanders, agrees with a republican president on business, you know something is wrong.

    Both he and Trump want to tear Amazon apart.

    ďWeíre seeing this incredibly large company getting involved in almost every area of commerce and I think it is important to look at the power and influence that Amazon has,Ē Sanders (I-VT) said Sunday on CNNís ďState of the Union.Ē

    The liberal stalwart said Amazonís expansion ďis an issue that has got to be looked atĒ
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.3908697

    A tale of two old people who are unwilling to accept the fact that we now live in a digital age. Small businesses can still compete, they're just not going to do so as a traditional brick and mortar. They have to adapt with the times or simply fall behind. Ironically, Amazon can help these companies adapt which is noted later. But, it's not the government's role to aide entrepreneurs who are not pro-active.

    President Trumpís stance against Bezos and Amazon is not so clear cut, since no one can argue that Amazon inflated prices, quite the opposite. And while Bezos has been a fierce competitor with many people laying the blame for the reported ďretail apocalypseĒ at Amazonís door, the businesses it may have killed died a natural death from free market capitalism. In business itís survival of the fittest and Amazon has the most well-developed retail muscles in the market today.


    Taking a cue from President Rooseveltís playbook, Axios reports that Trump is looking at anti-monopoly laws and regulations as a way to take Bezosí Amazon down.
    A republican president looking for regulations to stifle business....

    The Postal Service canít afford to lose Amazon as a client and American consumers will be the worse off if the Postal Service doesnít have the added revenue that it provides.
    Biting your nose to spite your face?

    As much as Amazon has hurt established businesses, its Amazon Marketplace also offers them access to its customers and enables ecommerce for many brick-and-mortar retailers. Ultimately it is hard to lay blame on retailís woes solely at Amazonís door. Rather these retailers failed to see the opportunities and respond accordingly as fast or effectively as Amazon did.
    Bingo. Small businesses can essentially use Amazon as a warehouse along with tapping into their advanced digital marketing. By holding product at Amazon, not only will you benefit from their strong rankings in Google, you'll also be able to offer your customers Next-day and two-day shipping options, for free or extremely cheap.

    Alternatively, businesses can embrace the digital age on their own, without Amazon. SEO specifically is an amazingly cheap marketing function with extremely high return.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/pamdanz.../#2eb85f3f1b37

    All American's should be very concerned that we no longer have a party that wants to keep government out of the way and allow businesses to compete. If both democrats and republicans are willing to implement some form of socialist policy, one way or another, the American dream will eventually be no more. We cannot allow both sides to steadily chip away at free market and small government principles.
    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
    - Benjamin Franklin

    The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

  • #2
    Amazon is the 21st Century Sears. So? They'll get competition and plenty of it. The only thing government needs do is watch to make sure Amazon doesn't punish competition in the market by practices that would be considered monopolistic.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
      Amazon is the 21st Century Sears. So? They'll get competition and plenty of it. The only thing government needs do is watch to make sure Amazon doesn't punish competition in the market by practices that would be considered monopolistic.
      Agreed. We should not have a sitting President attacking a company who has not done anything wrong.
      "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
      - Benjamin Franklin

      The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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      • #4
        Well you finally found a reasonable argument.

        The connection between big business and big government however is what Trump is really going after. Through in corporate media and in all fairness Trump has identified something we should all be concerned about.

        The neo liberal connection to banking, media, and other large corporations means that the Democrats no longer represent the interests of ordinary Americans. We live in a time of strange bedfellows such as feminists and Islamists. While the average Democratic has moved left key players such as Clinton have developed deeper ties with big business and globalists.

        Amazon does not seem to be interested in anything but making money but is indirectly connected to the globalists who are insulated from the consequences of radical leftist chaos.

        This is typical Trump playing loose and fast with the facts to open the media up to falling into their own cesspool.
        We hunt the hunters

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        • #5
          Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
          Well you finally found a reasonable argument.

          The connection between big business and big government however is what Trump is really going after. Through in corporate media and in all fairness Trump has identified something we should all be concerned about.

          The neo liberal connection to banking, media, and other large corporations means that the Democrats no longer represent the interests of ordinary Americans. We live in a time of strange bedfellows such as feminists and Islamists. While the average Democratic has moved left key players such as Clinton have developed deeper ties with big business and globalists.

          Amazon does not seem to be interested in anything but making money but is indirectly connected to the globalists who are insulated from the consequences of radical leftist chaos.

          This is typical Trump playing loose and fast with the facts to open the media up to falling into their own cesspool.
          I am surprised that you do not see that the Trump administration is BIG BUSINESS acquiring political power... Trump is going after Amazon not because of the ideological reasons you mention. He simply attacks Bezos because the latter controls Washington Post. The idea that supposedly Trump is concerned with Amazon not paying enough taxes is laughable when Trump gave big business a huge tax cut without asking to get anything concrete in return other than "hope" that the big business will use the tax cuts to create more jobs.
          Last edited by pamak; 01 Apr 18, 16:32.
          My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by pamak View Post
            I am surprised that you do not see that the Trump administration is BIG BUSINESS acquiring political power... Trump is going after Amazon not because of the ideological reasons you mention. He simply attack Bezos because the latter controls Washington Post. The idea that supposedly Trump is concerned with Amazon not paying enough taxes is laughable when Trump gave big business a huge tax cut without asking to get anything concrete in return other than "hope" that the big business will use the tax cuts to create more jobs.
            The insanity surrounding Trump is not surprising. He is the only president that we have had during most peoples lifetime that isn't connected either through personal gain such as the Clintons or long time associations with the banksters such as the Bushs with the "establishment". For holding this position he gets labeled a populist, as if representing the ordinary people (the deplorables ) in a democracy was almost criminal :-). Because Trump is such an outlier few people are able to understand him.

            The above post is just one more case of the anti Trump insanity that pervades "polite" society. Trump is not polite and does not cater to the aesthetics of those who can not face the fact that the media, the neo cons and the democratic party are corrupt.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
              The insanity surrounding Trump is not surprising. He is the only president that we have had during most peoples lifetime that isn't connected either through personal gain such as the Clintons or long time associations with the banksters such as the Bushs with the "establishment". For holding this position he gets labeled a populist, as if representing the ordinary people (the deplorables ) in a democracy was almost criminal :-). Because Trump is such an outlier few people are able to understand him.

              The above post is just one more case of the anti Trump insanity that pervades "polite" society. Trump is not polite and does not cater to the aesthetics of those who can not face the fact that the media, the neo cons and the democratic party are corrupt.
              Ohh really?

              Rel Estate development is all about getting loans from banks. Kushner right now has a problem with massive loans he got from banks.


              https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/b...oup-loans.html

              Kushnerís Family Business Received
              Loans After White House Meetings
              Apollo, the private equity firm, and Citigroup made
              large loans last year to the family real estate business
              of Jared Kushner, President Trumpís senior adviser.

              https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...from-citigroup

              Kushnerís New Jersey Trump Tower Got $200 Million Loan From Citigroup

              https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.cec8360d3e16

              Jared Kushnerís troubles include an impending $1.2 billion company debt
              Saying that Trump dos not have ties to bankers simpy because (unlike Clinton and Bush) he did not give you the opportunity to see his taxes makes zero sense!

              And you talk ab out insanity and failure to face facts?

              Last edited by pamak; 01 Apr 18, 17:55.
              My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
                The insanity surrounding Trump is not surprising. He is the only president that we have had during most peoples lifetime that isn't connected either through personal gain such as the Clintons or long time associations with the banksters such as the Bushs with the "establishment". For holding this position he gets labeled a populist, as if representing the ordinary people (the deplorables ) in a democracy was almost criminal :-). Because Trump is such an outlier few people are able to understand him.

                The above post is just one more case of the anti Trump insanity that pervades "polite" society. Trump is not polite and does not cater to the aesthetics of those who can not face the fact that the media, the neo cons and the democratic party are corrupt.
                I know this is going to engender massive backlash, but what Trump is, is he's the first President in a very long time that is actually a leader. His managerial skills are marginal.

                Obama was neither a leader nor a manager. He was at best, an aeriodite. At worst, he was a scammer.

                Bush was an average leader / manager. No special talent in either field. He mostly warmed a chair and left things the way he found them.

                Carter was a manager of the worst sort. He had no particular affinity for decision making and it showed in the pathetically bad choices he usually made.

                Anyway, Trump is a leader. That doesn't mean he's going to do the right thing or the best thing, but by god he's going to do stuff! He faces a Congress full of managers and not one leader among them. That's why Congress can't get its act together to do anything to stop Trump other than stall legislation. They're all about the status quo. Change won't come from Congress.

                My "Wheel theory" of this is that leadership drives an organization forward. It's what turns the wheel. Lots of leadership with little management is a rollercoaster ride to who knows where. Every day is an adventure. It's sheer chaos, but by god it's interesting and fun chaos.

                Management is the axle on that wheel. It is the steadying influence that keeps the wheel moving in a fixed direction, hopefully forward. Managers are boring people who in Washington would be called "Policy Wonks." When you have lots of management and no leadership the wheel goes nowhere. There's nothing to turn it. It sits steady as a rock going nowhere fast.

                What we're seeing with Trump is leadership. He's got another 'bright' idea every day. You have no idea what he's going to concoct next. His administration is chaos. But, stuff gets done. Even lots of stuff gets done. Only thing is nobody knows what's going to get done tomorrow or next week.

                For weak managers, like Congress, this causes panic. Among the most entrenched bureaucrats (eg., "The Deep State") this is nearly an outright declaration of war on them.

                So, rather than try and work with the leadership Trump is displaying, their reaction is dig in, fortify, and ride out the siege. "He'll be gone in a few years, then we'll get back to business as usual..."

                With Obama, it was "This guy's a nobody. Just humor him because he thinks he's smart. Tell him it was his idea and he'll be happy. We can get on with business as usual..."

                Bush was largely the same way for the DC bureaucracy. Safe and mostly harmless... Sort of like the entry in the Hitchhiker's Guide.

                Trump is a whole 'nother animal. He's got ideas and he's dangerous. He's penetrating the bureaucracy!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                  I know this is going to engender massive backlash, but what Trump is, is he's the first President in a very long time that is actually a leader. His managerial skills are marginal.

                  Obama was neither a leader nor a manager. He was at best, an aeriodite. At worst, he was a scammer.

                  Bush was an average leader / manager. No special talent in either field. He mostly warmed a chair and left things the way he found them.

                  Carter was a manager of the worst sort. He had no particular affinity for decision making and it showed in the pathetically bad choices he usually made.

                  Anyway, Trump is a leader. That doesn't mean he's going to do the right thing or the best thing, but by god he's going to do stuff! He faces a Congress full of managers and not one leader among them. That's why Congress can't get its act together to do anything to stop Trump other than stall legislation. They're all about the status quo. Change won't come from Congress.

                  My "Wheel theory" of this is that leadership drives an organization forward. It's what turns the wheel. Lots of leadership with little management is a rollercoaster ride to who knows where. Every day is an adventure. It's sheer chaos, but by god it's interesting and fun chaos.

                  Management is the axle on that wheel. It is the steadying influence that keeps the wheel moving in a fixed direction, hopefully forward. Managers are boring people who in Washington would be called "Policy Wonks." When you have lots of management and no leadership the wheel goes nowhere. There's nothing to turn it. It sits steady as a rock going nowhere fast.

                  What we're seeing with Trump is leadership. He's got another 'bright' idea every day. You have no idea what he's going to concoct next. His administration is chaos. But, stuff gets done. Even lots of stuff gets done. Only thing is nobody knows what's going to get done tomorrow or next week.

                  For weak managers, like Congress, this causes panic. Among the most entrenched bureaucrats (eg., "The Deep State") this is nearly an outright declaration of war on them.

                  So, rather than try and work with the leadership Trump is displaying, their reaction is dig in, fortify, and ride out the siege. "He'll be gone in a few years, then we'll get back to business as usual..."

                  With Obama, it was "This guy's a nobody. Just humor him because he thinks he's smart. Tell him it was his idea and he'll be happy. We can get on with business as usual..."

                  Bush was largely the same way for the DC bureaucracy. Safe and mostly harmless... Sort of like the entry in the Hitchhiker's Guide.

                  Trump is a whole 'nother animal. He's got ideas and he's dangerous. He's penetrating the bureaucracy!

                  I agree Trump is dangerous, what people cannot accept is the alternative to dangerous is to be ineffectual as Obama which carries it's own dangers.

                  https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/...-britain-wwii/

                  For those that read my post you may have noticed I'm a fan of Victor Davis Hanson. Common sense has become a rare commodity.
                  We hunt the hunters

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                    I know this is going to engender massive backlash, but what Trump is, is he's the first President in a very long time that is actually a leader. His managerial skills are marginal.

                    Obama was neither a leader nor a manager. He was at best, an aeriodite. At worst, he was a scammer.

                    Bush was an average leader / manager. No special talent in either field. He mostly warmed a chair and left things the way he found them.

                    Carter was a manager of the worst sort. He had no particular affinity for decision making and it showed in the pathetically bad choices he usually made.

                    Anyway, Trump is a leader. That doesn't mean he's going to do the right thing or the best thing, but by god he's going to do stuff! He faces a Congress full of managers and not one leader among them. That's why Congress can't get its act together to do anything to stop Trump other than stall legislation. They're all about the status quo. Change won't come from Congress.

                    My "Wheel theory" of this is that leadership drives an organization forward. It's what turns the wheel. Lots of leadership with little management is a rollercoaster ride to who knows where. Every day is an adventure. It's sheer chaos, but by god it's interesting and fun chaos.

                    Management is the axle on that wheel. It is the steadying influence that keeps the wheel moving in a fixed direction, hopefully forward. Managers are boring people who in Washington would be called "Policy Wonks." When you have lots of management and no leadership the wheel goes nowhere. There's nothing to turn it. It sits steady as a rock going nowhere fast.

                    What we're seeing with Trump is leadership. He's got another 'bright' idea every day. You have no idea what he's going to concoct next. His administration is chaos. But, stuff gets done. Even lots of stuff gets done. Only thing is nobody knows what's going to get done tomorrow or next week.

                    For weak managers, like Congress, this causes panic. Among the most entrenched bureaucrats (eg., "The Deep State") this is nearly an outright declaration of war on them.

                    So, rather than try and work with the leadership Trump is displaying, their reaction is dig in, fortify, and ride out the siege. "He'll be gone in a few years, then we'll get back to business as usual..."

                    With Obama, it was "This guy's a nobody. Just humor him because he thinks he's smart. Tell him it was his idea and he'll be happy. We can get on with business as usual..."

                    Bush was largely the same way for the DC bureaucracy. Safe and mostly harmless... Sort of like the entry in the Hitchhiker's Guide.

                    Trump is a whole 'nother animal. He's got ideas and he's dangerous. He's penetrating the bureaucracy!

                    I don't think you're defining leadership properly. When half the country hates you including people within your own base that is not the mark of a great leader. A leader is capable of uniting people, yet we're more divided than ever. A leader does not seek consensus, a true leader can mold consensus. Something Trump has not shown he can do. He has shown the opposite. Signing a lot of executive orders should not be confused with leadership.

                    But by your strange interpretation of leadership, I would say ideology is more important when it comes to the president. I'll take a bad leader with the right ideology as opposed to the Bernie Sanders and Trump's of the world.
                    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                    - Benjamin Franklin

                    The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                      I don't think you're defining leadership properly. When half the country hates you including people within your own base that is not the mark of a great leader. A leader is capable of uniting people, yet we're more divided than ever. A leader does not seek consensus, a true leader can mold consensus. Something Trump has not shown he can do. He has shown the opposite. Signing a lot of executive orders should not be confused with leadership.

                      But by your strange interpretation of leadership, I would say ideology is more important when it comes to the president. I'll take a bad leader with the right ideology as opposed to the Bernie Sanders and Trump's of the world.
                      You conflate politician with leader. A politician is a particular type of leader. Great politicians are rabble rousers, Hitler comes to mind, or smooth talkers (Obama), among other types. They are what you might call "Used car salesmen." They know how to influence you even though the results will be negative to you.

                      Trump is more of the entrepreneur sort of leader. These are guys with ideas. The successful ones have ideas that are successful The unsuccessful ones are usually labeled crackpots or loons. Being in a company that has such leadership is a wild ride. You never know what's coming when you walk in the door for work. Every day is an adventure.

                      If you're lucky, the company is Apple or Microsoft when they first started, to give recent examples. Unsuccessful ones are Tesla or Enron. The later was almost run as a criminal enterprise by the leadership. Tesla is unsuccessful because it has never turned a profit, and can't meet even one of it's sales claims. But, Eldon Musk is one hell of a leader.

                      Obama is the unsuccessful leader. He has great ideas and can rouse people to be energized to his ideas. But, he's also all hat, no cattle. Beyond the idea, he can't get anything useful done.

                      Many great leaders in history were widely despised at the time. Change is often met with great resistance. People want what's familiar and safe. Taking chances and making great changes is very unsettling for most people.

                      Between Trump and Congress, Congress is the problem. They don't want change. They want business as usual. The federal bureaucracy wants that too, so they hate Trump for laying waste to their carefully crafted empires and bureaucratic regulations and procedures.

                      That's what's happening in Dirty City today.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                        You conflate politician with leader. A politician is a particular type of leader. Great politicians are rabble rousers, Hitler comes to mind, or smooth talkers (Obama), among other types. They are what you might call "Used car salesmen." They know how to influence you even though the results will be negative to you.

                        Trump is more of the entrepreneur sort of leader. These are guys with ideas. The successful ones have ideas that are successful The unsuccessful ones are usually labeled crackpots or loons. Being in a company that has such leadership is a wild ride. You never know what's coming when you walk in the door for work. Every day is an adventure.

                        If you're lucky, the company is Apple or Microsoft when they first started, to give recent examples. Unsuccessful ones are Tesla or Enron. The later was almost run as a criminal enterprise by the leadership. Tesla is unsuccessful because it has never turned a profit, and can't meet even one of it's sales claims. But, Eldon Musk is one hell of a leader.

                        Obama is the unsuccessful leader. He has great ideas and can rouse people to be energized to his ideas. But, he's also all hat, no cattle. Beyond the idea, he can't get anything useful done.

                        Many great leaders in history were widely despised at the time. Change is often met with great resistance. People want what's familiar and safe. Taking chances and making great changes is very unsettling for most people.

                        Between Trump and Congress, Congress is the problem. They don't want change. They want business as usual. The federal bureaucracy wants that too, so they hate Trump for laying waste to their carefully crafted empires and bureaucratic regulations and procedures.

                        That's what's happening in Dirty City today.
                        Having ideas does not make for a great leader, they're two entirely different things. You have your own weird and inaccurate definition of leadership. If you can't get your team to execute your ideas, you're not a leader. If your company/country is not united, you're not a leader. Trump is far more politician than he is entrepreneurial leader. He's the "republican" version of Obama.
                        "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                        - Benjamin Franklin

                        The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                        • #13
                          Rational people measure leadership in terms of empirical data not in terms of some abstract ideological purity or even in terms of demonstrative intellect.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
                            Rational people measure leadership in terms of empirical data not in terms of some abstract ideological purity or even in terms of demonstrative intellect.
                            Such as?


                            Do you mean this?

                            https://govtrackinsider.com/falling-...n-8945aac6ad54


                            Falling From First to Last: President Trump has signed the fewest bills into law by this point in any recent presidentís first year


                            As of today, President Trump has signed the fewest bills into law by this point in any presidentís first year at least as far back as President Eisenhower.
                            Throughout 2017, the President and Republican leaders in Congress have touted their passing of the most legislation in modern history. On his 100th day in office, the President announced he had signed the most bills of any president since Truman ó and repeated it many times (it wasnít entirely true to begin with). House Majority Leader Rep. Kevin McCarthy recently tweeted that the House of Representatives passed more bills in the Presidentís first 11 months than in the same time period of the five most recent presidents.
                            By his own standard, the President has sunk to last place with 94 bills signed into law by his 336th day in office (today). Thatís 8 fewer than President George W. Bush and not even half as many as presidents Bill Clinton (209) and George H.W. Bush (242):
                            What about the vetting of the people in his cabinet? It seems that his administration in the second year will be almost completely new. This means that the learning curve will continue to be steep in the second year. We will still have rookies who will bring the same chaos we saw in the first year...
                            My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                            • #15
                              With his protectionism and the favouring of older inefficient but typically labour intensive industries at the expense of the new, Trump seems very left wing. He seems to be copying the failed British post war economic policies.
                              "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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