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  • Iran is like Israel in many ways, both countries have beautiful people but both countries prevent interfaith marriage which is a cause for concern. The free countries of the world like the USA, Netherlands and Canada are indeed more tolerate because they have a better family system and are more open.


    As for Trump, Trump continues to rightfully try and pursue some sort of good relations with Russia, of course Russia is an ally of both Iran and Israel which is quite interesting.

    Anyone whom hypes up anti Iran feeling, just do so in the proper fashion, be sure to praise Islam and the Farsi speaking people as I do with Judaism and Hebrew speaking people. Iran is not the problem Israel is not the problem. But practically all of the middle east save Turkey is in some way shape or form against freedom wrt their civil laws. Big things are happening though the ugly Imams and Rabbis of the middle east are opposed by true religion and a growing spirit of equality among man we see all around the world.
    Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
    Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

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    • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
      In the US or against the US?
      Its very similar to Israel. What we have the one attack against a Marine base by I belive Hezbollah in the 1980s?, compare that to Israel killing US navy service men. Israel has spied on the USA, surely Iran and other countries have as well.

      Hell even England was involved in fighting the USA, war of 1812. Hell the biggest one of course is Germany.

      One has to be careful as to not needlessly offend people. If folks are going to bring up Israeli or Iranian "terror attacks", well they must bring up Germany and England whom fought against the United States in numerous wars that were very very bloody.

      It can be easy for non white non Christian countries to be criticized by Americans. Conservative and Liberal Americans will be overtly critical of Israel, Iran and Saudi and rightfully so but they must always consider the great and tolerate non Christian people of history of which their were many great non Christian people of history.

      I abhor the intolerant people of Iran as I do with the intolerant people of Israel,. That is the difference between a real American like myself compared to the fake Americans whom praise Israel nonstop. So Im able to criticize Israel and Iran whilst standing by the ancient religions and kingdoms of history.

      I'm truthfully confident you and other conservatives here on acg agree with me.
      Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
      Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

      George S Patton

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      • Back on topic.......

        Some food for thought about this movement:

        To casual observers, March for Our Lives evolved from Twitter hashtag into an IRS-registered organization practically overnight. The New York Post called it a “grassroots movement.” Slate called the rally “stunningly original,” and swore that “The March for Our Lives Could Not Possibly Have Been Scripted.”

        Besides coordinating the D.C. rally in conjunction with Michael Bloomberg’s anti-gun group, Everytown for Gun Safety, as of this month, March for Our Lives now sports a 501(c)(4) lobbying nonprofit of its own—the March for Our Lives Action Fund. Filings with the D.C. Department of Consumer & Regulatory Affairs shows registration in Delaware, with an Encino, California, business address shared by Wishnow Ross Warsavsky & Company, an accountancy. Those filings also reveal the group’s treasurer: Jeri Rhodes, former Greenpeace CFO and currently an associate executive secretary at the Friends Committee on National Legislation (a left-of-center Quaker group).

        Filings obtained by the Huffington Post reveal more of the organization’s board. Listed as directors are Aileen Adams, a former deputy mayor for Los Angeles mayor Antonio Villaraigosa; George Kieffer, chair of the University of California system board of regents; Melissa Scholz, a nonprofit lawyer who was involved with a redistricting group called Play Fair Wisconsin (itself a project of the left-leaning High Ground Institute); Nina Vinik, program director for the Joyce Foundation (whose board formerly included Barack Obama) and former legal director of the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence; board secretary Vernetta Walker, a lawyer and Planned Parenthood board member formerly employed by the National Council of La Raza and Alliance for Justice; and board president Deena Katz, executive director of the Los Angeles Women’s March Foundation.

        https://capitalresearch.org/article/...for-our-lives/

        How many students actually showed up?

        “Contrary to what’s been reported in many media accounts, the D.C. March for Our Lives crowd was not primarily made up of teenagers. Only about 10 percent of the participants were under 18,” said Ms. Fisher in a Wednesday op-ed in The Washington Post.


        “The average age of the adults in the crowd was just under 49 years old, which is older than participants at the other marches I’ve surveyed but similar to the age of the average participant at the Million Moms March in 2000, which was also about gun control,” she said.

        While a number of Parkland students spoke at the event, the rally “had the allure of a free concert,” said Ms. Fisher, adding that the website included the names of performers like Ariana Grande but not the speakers.

        About 27 percent of the protesters were participating in their first march, but only 12 percent said they were fueled by a desire to push for more firearms restrictions.

        Instead, she found 56 percent were motivated by “issues of peace” and 42 percent by President Trump, “a galvanizing force for many protests.” About 16 percent described themselves as moderate, while 79 percent said they were “left-leaning” and 89 percent voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016.

        Critics accused liberal advocacy groups that helped organize the event of using the teens as “pawns” and juicing crowd numbers.

        The March for Our Lives initially reported that 850,000 people participated in the Washington, D.C., event, while two independent crowd-size estimates said the figure was closer to 200,000.

        https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...sters-were-un/

        This was driven by the anti gun lobby, funded by numerous left leaning people and reported on numerous times by the MSM. Notice how much MSM coverage the pro 2nd Amendment students compared to the anti gun students.

        This is no different than a junta using child soldiers to carry out their agenda.
        "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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        • Well, an obvious Iranian case is the "YouTube" shooter Nasim Aghdan...

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          • Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
            Its very similar to Israel. What we have the one attack against a Marine base by I belive Hezbollah in the 1980s?, compare that to Israel killing US navy service men. Israel has spied on the USA, surely Iran and other countries have as well.

            Hell even England was involved in fighting the USA, war of 1812. Hell the biggest one of course is Germany.

            One has to be careful as to not needlessly offend people. If folks are going to bring up Israeli or Iranian "terror attacks", well they must bring up Germany and England whom fought against the United States in numerous wars that were very very bloody.

            It can be easy for non white non Christian countries to be criticized by Americans. Conservative and Liberal Americans will be overtly critical of Israel, Iran and Saudi and rightfully so but they must always consider the great and tolerate non Christian people of history of which their were many great non Christian people of history.

            I abhor the intolerant people of Iran as I do with the intolerant people of Israel,. That is the difference between a real American like myself compared to the fake Americans whom praise Israel nonstop. So Im able to criticize Israel and Iran whilst standing by the ancient religions and kingdoms of history.

            I'm truthfully confident you and other conservatives here on acg agree with me.
            The USS Cole bombing was by Iranian backed terrorists in Yemen.

            The anti-ship missile attempts on US vessels of Yemen were by Iranian backed terrorist groups.

            There were a number of Iranian backed terrorist attacks on US embassies in the 90's.

            Several of the 9/11 terrorists flew to Iran on repeated occasions and at least a couple got some of their flight simulator and pilot training there.

            They were partially involved with the US barracks bombing in Riyadh Saudi Arabia in 2003, along with the Khobar Tower bombing in 1996

            Shi'ite militia in Iraq, backed by Iran have killed a number of US soldiers in that nation over the years since it was invaded. In fact, they're a major component of the instability there.

            So, outside the US they have made numerous terrorist attacks against the US and US citizens through proxies.

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            • Originally posted by Nichols View Post
              ...
              This is no different than a junta using child soldiers to carry out their agenda.
              You are arriving at hasty conclusions without data to back them up. For example, while you tell us about the demographic composition of the gun control protesters, you did not check the demographic data of the 2nd amendment protests to make any comparison. Personally, I am not surprised that others non-students joined the protests. This is the most logical thing, and it happens with all types of protests. Also, a 12% of the protesters being under 18 years old is a good number especially when even according to conservative commentators, like Tim Pool, these gun control protests were REALLY big and because the teenagers at large are not known for their political participation. It is also undeniable that the leaders of the movement are young students. These are the ones who became public figures, and inspired other people to join them in these marches. These are also the people who receive criticism by conservatives. And your last remark about them being "child soldiers" used by Junta sounds more like an unfounded attempt to dismiss them than anything else. If you are really concerned of people used by authoritarians to carry an agenda, you should be more worried about these older "unwitting " Americans (I borrow the term from Mueller's indictement against Russians) who play Putin's game
              My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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              • Originally posted by pamak View Post
                You are arriving at hasty conclusions without data to back them up.
                The data is provided in the links, not a hasty conclusion just a reality that you refuse to accept.
                "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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                • Originally posted by Nichols View Post
                  The data is provided in the links, not a hasty conclusion just a reality that you refuse to accept.
                  A symptom all the America-hating left shares.
                  Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                  • Originally posted by pamak View Post
                    It is also undeniable that the leaders of the movement are young students.
                    The leaders are the adults that raised millions of dollars and formed a 501 (c)(4) lobbying non profit and the MSM that fed the kids what to say.

                    I deal with this age group almost daily, unscripted public speaking doesn't just happen. The kids are being manipulated by both sides of the divide.
                    "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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                    • Originally posted by Nichols View Post
                      The data is provided in the links, not a hasty conclusion just a reality that you refuse to accept.
                      The data do not show that they are child soldiers which is what I address i my post. The data show that people younger than 18 years old were about 12% of the march. At most, the data show that the claim that these marches were mainly composed by students is wrong.



                      The rest of the conclusions are simply unfounded. Do you know the number of the participants in these demonstrations? According to Tim Pol who is a conservative commentator, it was around 100,000 just in Washington DC.





                      This means that if 12% of the participants were teenagers, we had the participation of 12,000 young people just in Washington DC. For comparison purposes, according to wiki the District Of Columbia Public Schools has an enrollment of 47,548 students, and this includes groups of students who do not have the capacity to attend any demonstration by themselves or without an escort such as all students in elementary and middle-schools.



                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distri...Public_Schools
                      My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                      • Originally posted by pamak View Post
                        The data do not show that they are child soldiers which is what I address i my post. The data show that people younger than 18 years old were about 12% of the march. At most, the data show that the claim that these marches were mainly composed by students is wrong.



                        The rest of the conclusions are simply unfounded. Do you know the number of the participants in these demonstrations? According to Tim Pol who is a conservative commentator, it was around 100,000 just in Washington DC.





                        This means that if 12% of the participants were teenagers, we had the participation of 12,000 young people just in Washington DC. For comparison purposes, according to wiki the District Of Columbia Public Schools has an enrollment of 47,548 students, and this includes groups of students who do not have the capacity to attend any demonstration by themselves or without an escort such as all students in elementary and middle-schools.



                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distri...Public_Schools
                        Watching the whole video, again, the conclusions he reaches are:

                        Most of the protesters are about 50 + years old. They are mostly women. They overwhelmingly are Leftist, voted for Hillary, hate Donald Trump, and were there to protest in general, not to protest about gun control.
                        In other words, they're really just 60's retreads who are trying to push the agenda of the Left. That means any sane person will ignore them since listening to crazy people isn't a good idea.

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                        • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                          Watching the whole video, again, the conclusions he reaches are:

                          Most of the protesters are about 50 + years old. They are mostly women. They overwhelmingly are Leftist, voted for Hillary, hate Donald Trump, and were there to protest in general, not to protest about gun control.
                          In other words, they're really just 60's retreads who are trying to push the agenda of the Left. That means any sane person will ignore them since listening to crazy people isn't a good idea.
                          And nothing of the above can be used as an argument that the students are child soldiers or that they are not leading the latest demonstrations or that their participation rates are not high. In short, none of the above observations can be used to dismiss their movement...
                          My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                          • Originally posted by pamak View Post
                            The data do not show that they are child soldiers which is what I address i my post. The data show that people younger than 18 years old were about 12% of the march.
                            The data shows 10%.

                            Here is what I posted regarding child soldiers:

                            Originally posted by Nichols View Post
                            This is no different than a junta using child soldiers to carry out their agenda.
                            This might be an ESL issue for you. The way the left is using these children are very much like how child soldiers are used, an example:

                            according to one rebel commander in the Democratic Republic of Congo, "[children] make good fighters because they’re young and want to show off. They think it’s all a game, so they’re fearless."

                            https://reliefweb.int/sites/reliefwe...8-chilsold.htm

                            "they're young and they want to show off"

                            Before you come back with another redirect, read the link first, svp.
                            "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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                            • Originally posted by Nichols View Post
                              The data shows 10%.

                              Here is what I posted regarding child soldiers:



                              This might be an ESL issue for you. The way the left is using these children are very much like how child soldiers are used, an example:

                              according to one rebel commander in the Democratic Republic of Congo, "[children] make good fighters because they’re young and want to show off. They think it’s all a game, so they’re fearless."

                              https://reliefweb.int/sites/reliefwe...8-chilsold.htm

                              "they're young and they want to show off"

                              Before you come back with another redirect, read the link first, svp.
                              Even based on the number of 10% the point still stands. The participation of students was quite high when such number indicates about 10,000 people, and the District of Columbia public schools has around 47,000 students of all age.

                              As to what you posted, I explained why your conclusion is irrational. It is not a matter of understanding language. it is a matter of understanding logic which apparently is your weak spot even though you are not an ESL.

                              And it is a joke that you talk about redirection when you post links about the the children soldiers of Kongo!
                              Last edited by pamak; 06 Apr 18, 20:31.
                              My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                              • Ohh, and since you wanted to post links abut Kongo, let me post links about the NRA's meetings with the new Russian organization which alleges that supports gun rights in Moscow.

                                https://www.facebook.com/PravoNaOruz...type=3&theater

                                Click the "translate" at the bottom of the script

                                There are already reports that the NRA contributions in the 2016 elections were triple the size of the previous contributions and that some of it came from Russian organizations.

                                This was a month ago

                                https://www.npr.org/2018/03/01/59007...-ties-revealed

                                Depth Of Russian Politician's Cultivation Of NRA Ties Revealed

                                A prominent Kremlin-linked Russian politician has methodically cultivated ties with leaders of the National Rifle Association and documented efforts in real time over six years to leverage those connections and gain deeper access into American politics, NPR has learned.

                                Russian politician Alexander Torshin said his ties to the NRA provided him access to Donald Trump — and the opportunity to serve as a foreign election observer in the United States during the 2012 election.

                                and this came today

                                http://www.businessinsider.com/russi...torshin-2018-4

                                Torshin was included on a list of 17 senior Russian government officials who were penalized and had their assets frozen.
                                My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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