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  • Pruitt
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    Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
    Good point. Most of them act like little cowards.
    With this contribution, let us return to the OP.

    Pruitt

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  • TactiKill J.
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    Originally posted by pamak View Post
    Or when I see people using their ignore list not because they want to avoid dealing with me or other people but because they want to have a parapet of safety behind which they regularly snipe the people who are supposedly on the ignore list. Rimmer is a classic example of this. He has almost everybody on the "left" on his ignore list and then instead of really ignoring the people on his list, he feels for some reason the need to publicly call these people "trolls" whenever some of his buddies have a conversation with some "leftist". The phrase "ignore the troll" which I saw twice last week just from Rimmer alone when I was browsing the different threads is a clear example of baiting behind the security of his ignore list.
    Good point. Most of them act like little cowards.

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  • pamak
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    Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
    Fine, whatever. I was just checking to see if you would consider modifying your approach, even temporarily, but so be it.

    And the next time you get frustrated trying to modify the opinion of people for whom your posts all drip with scorn and hate and derision... just remember the moment one of them tried to reach out to you.
    It probably won't be happening again.

    So, I guess it's time to resume the usual ranting and raving...

    Meh, count me out, a few days of this crap is enough for me. Maybe I'll be back this summer, maybe.
    I modify my approach based on how people ACT. And I have examples in this forum to show that I have no problem to have a polite debate or conversation with people who show a genuine desire to talk and explore our common ground and our disagreements instead of hiding behind excessive ignore lists, sniping, trolling or baiting...

    Last example was this!

    http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...7&postcount=42

    Originally posted by pamak View Post
    I agree that it is an open question regarding other types of funding. It will be a matter of how SCOTUS will apply the Equal Protection Clause. And I also agree that encouragement of illegal immigration should not be rewarded by the feds.
    By the way, thanks for the short and to the point posts which do not try to score cheap political points. This is quite rare here...
    I do not think that I and TacCovert4 belong to the same ideological side

    I have even polite conversations or debates with people with whom I had fierce confrontations in the past. Ask Nichols to verify my words. In a thread in which he brought links with information to support his position, I appreciated his effort and I was very kind to him because he was also very kind to me. Incidentally in the same thread, I had a big confrontation with Salinator. when he decided to go after me without providing a single link to bring anything interesting into the discussion I had with Nichols. See the following link

    http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...embassy&page=5
    Last edited by pamak; 01 Apr 18, 18:04.

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  • Mountain Man
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    In a vain hope of returning to the subject, what major changes might we expect from the EPA under this new management?

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  • The Exorcist
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    Originally posted by pamak View Post
    ...
    As for my frustration, I have zero frustration when people do not answer back. The frustration builds on when people try to answer my posts with silly memes and snarky comments.
    Or when I see people using their ignore list not because they want to avoid dealing with me or other people but because they want to have a parapet of safety behind which they regularly snipe the people who are supposedly on the ignore list. Rimmer is a classic example of this. He has almost everybody on the "left" on his ignore list and then instead of really ignoring the people on his list, he feels for some reason the need to publicly call these people "trolls" whenever some of his buddies have a conversation with some "leftist". The phrase "ignore the troll" which I saw twice last week just from Rimmer alone when I was browsing the different threads is a clear example of baiting behind the security of his ignore list. Others do the same thing too. Does this mean that repeatedly calling people "trolls" is less offensive than calling them once "liars" or snowflakes?

    And yes, I know this is not Congress. It is a forum which started as one in which people were willing to have extensive discussions about historical events, and I expect a similar attitude when we discuss political ones. It is not unreasonable expectation to think that this forum is not twitter! But still, I have no problem with people who do not want to participate in such discussions as long as they let me have the conversations I have with the people who are willing to debate me without trying to intervene with silly comments and provocations which have zero value in the conversation that is going on. They moment these people try to play their silly games, I have no problem to return them the favor.
    Fine, whatever. I was just checking to see if you would consider modifying your approach, even temporarily, but so be it.

    And the next time you get frustrated trying to modify the opinion of people for whom your posts all drip with scorn and hate and derision... just remember the moment one of them tried to reach out to you.
    It probably won't be happening again.

    So, I guess it's time to resume the usual ranting and raving...

    Meh, count me out, a few days of this crap is enough for me. Maybe I'll be back this summer, maybe.

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  • Hida Akechi
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    Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
    Common sense is not so common. Even among our esteemed posters. This s just an internet forum. We don't get extra pay for being right.

    Pruitt
    Aw, man, I wish I did.

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  • pamak
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    Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
    It can also be taken as a gesture of exasperation.
    Boring and repetitive is not made less so by links to boring and repetitive sites.



    Actually, the assertion that your posts are always long and sourced can easily be checked.
    As can the general attitude expressed, which appears to be very downward where you are concerned. In all earnest; when I think of a poster that is consistently contemptuous of the people he is arguing with, you are at the top of the list... and I don't even think you are 100% aware that you are doing it.
    But.... I have been wrong before.

    I only have ONE name on my ignore list, and it ain't yours.

    Yeah, I know, it is very frustrating when you make the effort, get the research done, and you don't even get an answer back.
    It happened to me dozens of times over the years.
    Then I got wise, and stopped trying so damned hard, and just had fun with it. I don't care if the opposition answers it or not anymore, I KNOW they saw it, and if they have no answer I assume "victory" for whatever pittance that is worth.

    This isn't Congress and you ain't Speaker of the House, so why the hell are you trying so damn hard, anyway?
    Relax, and have some fun.

    BTW- I looked back and found a thread you and I went back & forth on about ten years ago, about Tanks in the ed Army. Good stuff.
    Whatever happened to that guy?
    Links to boring and receptive sites?

    Just in this thread I posted links that I never posted before. If you find them boring, this has more to do with the fact that you are not interested in a serious conversation than the fact that I repeat posting the same links

    And you have put me on the ignore list numerous times. It is just that you keep switching me on and off..
    As for my frustration, I have zero frustration when people do not answer back. The frustration builds on when people try to answer my posts with silly memes and snarky comments.
    Or when I see people using their ignore list not because they want to avoid dealing with me or other people but because they want to have a parapet of safety behind which they regularly snipe the people who are supposedly on the ignore list. Rimmer is a classic example of this. He has almost everybody on the "left" on his ignore list and then instead of really ignoring the people on his list, he feels for some reason the need to publicly call these people "trolls" whenever some of his buddies have a conversation with some "leftist". The phrase "ignore the troll" which I saw twice last week just from Rimmer alone when I was browsing the different threads is a clear example of baiting behind the security of his ignore list. Others do the same thing too. Does this mean that repeatedly calling people "trolls" is less offensive than calling them once "liars" or snowflakes?

    And yes, I know this is not Congress. It is a forum which started as one in which people were willing to have extensive discussions about historical events, and I expect a similar attitude when we discuss political ones. It is not unreasonable expectation to think that this forum is not twitter! But still, I have no problem with people who do not want to participate in such discussions as long as they let me have the conversations I have with the people who are willing to debate me without trying to intervene with silly comments and provocations which have zero value in the conversation that is going on. They moment these people try to play their silly games, I have no problem to return them the favor.
    Last edited by pamak; 31 Mar 18, 21:06.

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  • The Exorcist
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    Originally posted by pamak View Post
    In general people who want to annoy others post one-line snarky comments and silly memes.
    It can also be taken as a gesture of exasperation.
    Boring and repetitive is not made less so by links to boring and repetitive sites.

    Originally posted by pamak View Post
    The fact that I consistently write long posts using primary sources and links shows that I am more interested in a serious discussion than anything else. Of course, when this effort is countered by long flaky "ignore lists" by people who habitually put on ignore 90% of the dissenters here (in other words from people who avoid debates because they are more interested in trolling ) or by silly memes, I will play their game equally well...Now ask a few posters here when was the last time they felt the need to counter an argument of the opposition by doing a research and by providing here a link with information that supported their counterargument...
    Actually, the assertion that your posts are always long and sourced can easily be checked.
    As can the general attitude expressed, which appears to be very downward where you are concerned. In all earnest; when I think of a poster that is consistently contemptuous of the people he is arguing with, you are at the top of the list... and I don't even think you are 100% aware that you are doing it.
    But.... I have been wrong before.

    I only have ONE name on my ignore list, and it ain't yours.

    Yeah, I know, it is very frustrating when you make the effort, get the research done, and you don't even get an answer back.
    It happened to me dozens of times over the years.
    Then I got wise, and stopped trying so damned hard, and just had fun with it. I don't care if the opposition answers it or not anymore, I KNOW they saw it, and if they have no answer I assume "victory" for whatever pittance that is worth.

    This isn't Congress and you ain't Speaker of the House, so why the hell are you trying so damn hard, anyway?
    Relax, and have some fun.

    BTW- I looked back and found a thread you and I went back & forth on about ten years ago, about Tanks in the ed Army. Good stuff.
    Whatever happened to that guy?

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  • pamak
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    Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
    I think it is a little too late for that sort of admission.

    Most people here are very much aware that you hate us and only post here to annoy people.

    Is it any wonder that your posts get so little attention, that being the case?
    In general people who want to annoy others post one-line snarky comments and silly memes. The fact that I consistently write long posts using primary sources and links shows that I am more interested in a serious discussion than anything else. Of course, when this effort is countered by long flaky "ignore lists" by people who habitually put on ignore 90% of the dissenters here (in other words from people who avoid debates because they are more interested in trolling ) or by silly memes, I will play their game equally well...Now ask a few posters here when was the last time they felt the need to counter an argument of the opposition by doing a research and by providing here a link with information that supported their counterargument...
    Last edited by pamak; 31 Mar 18, 19:35.

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  • The Exorcist
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    Originally posted by pamak View Post
    I would give odds against most of the recent posters recognizing brilliance even if it hits them like a ton of bricks. When they cannot even recognize common sense anything more than that is pure waste. But it is still entertaining ...
    I think it is a little too late for that sort of admission.

    Most people here are very much aware that you hate us and only post here to annoy people.

    Is it any wonder that your posts get so little attention, that being the case?

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  • pamak
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Seeing as how we get endless every time someone thinks we're the tiniest bit wrong, maybe we should.
    I tend to evaluate things differently. For example, my BS meter goes on red when I see posters who have a habit of participating in discussions without providing links and choose instead to express their opinion through memes, silly photos and one-line snarky comments.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Seeing as how we get endless every time someone thinks we're the tiniest bit wrong, maybe we should.

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  • Pruitt
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    Common sense is not so common. Even among our esteemed posters. This s just an internet forum. We don't get extra pay for being right.

    Pruitt

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  • pamak
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    I would give odds against most of the recent posters recognizing brilliance even if it hits them like a ton of bricks. When they cannot even recognize common sense anything more than that is pure waste. But it is still entertaining ...

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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    Originally posted by Hida Akechi View Post
    Yeah, that'd be a neat idea.
    I'd pay to see that.

    I would give odds against it ever happening, too.

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