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    The police had a strange way of executing a search warrant on a teenager. They demanded the teenager to drop his pants and masturbate in order to take a picture of his erect penis.

    Since it was too much for me to bear alone, so I'm sharing the misery with the rest of you. Happy reading!

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    And yet Trey Sims’ legal guardians had to do exactly that. In an effort to prosecute the 17-year-old for sexting his 15-year-old girlfriend, Manassas police detective David Abbott obtained a search warrant authorizing him to take “photographs of [Sims’] genitals,” including “a photograph of the suspect’s erect penis.” According to court documents, in the process of executing the search warrant, Abbott took the teenager to a juvenile detention center, took him to a locker room and, with two uniformed, armed officers looking on, ordered Sims to pull down his pants.

    The police should know better than to do that. Taking a picture of a minor's genitals still consist of child pornography no matter how official it is.
    Major James Holden, Georgia Badgers Militia of Rainbow Regiment, American Civil War

    "Aim small, miss small."

  • #2
    Originally posted by Cheetah772 View Post
    The police had a strange way of executing a search warrant on a teenager. They demanded the teenager to drop his pants and masturbate in order to take a picture of his erect penis.

    Since it was too much for me to bear alone, so I'm sharing the misery with the rest of you. Happy reading!

    https://www.cato.org/publications/co...ampaign=buffer
    And yet Trey Sims’ legal guardians had to do exactly that. In an effort to prosecute the 17-year-old for sexting his 15-year-old girlfriend, Manassas police detective David Abbott obtained a search warrant authorizing him to take “photographs of [Sims’] genitals,” including “a photograph of the suspect’s erect penis.” According to court documents, in the process of executing the search warrant, Abbott took the teenager to a juvenile detention center, took him to a locker room and, with two uniformed, armed officers looking on, ordered Sims to pull down his pants.

    The police should know better than to do that. Taking a picture of a minor's genitals still consist of child pornography no matter how official it is.
    That cop better be careful, he may end up with something more than blood on his hands......
    Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
    Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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    • #3
      Damn shame the type of things we allow police to get away with.

      All of that over sexting?
      "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
      - Benjamin Franklin

      The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Cheetah772 View Post
        The police had a strange way of executing a search warrant on a teenager. They demanded the teenager to drop his pants and masturbate in order to take a picture of his erect penis.

        Since it was too much for me to bear alone, so I'm sharing the misery with the rest of you. Happy reading!

        https://www.cato.org/publications/co...ampaign=buffer
        And yet Trey Sims’ legal guardians had to do exactly that. In an effort to prosecute the 17-year-old for sexting his 15-year-old girlfriend, Manassas police detective David Abbott obtained a search warrant authorizing him to take “photographs of [Sims’] genitals,” including “a photograph of the suspect’s erect penis.” According to court documents, in the process of executing the search warrant, Abbott took the teenager to a juvenile detention center, took him to a locker room and, with two uniformed, armed officers looking on, ordered Sims to pull down his pants.

        The police should know better than to do that. Taking a picture of a minor's genitals still consist of child pornography no matter how official it is.
        Actually, no.

        Two points: if obtained in conjunction with a search warrant, it is evidence, not child porn. Nor is taking a photo of a baby getting a bath child porn. The elements of the offense have to be made for all offenses.

        Second: inasmuch as the police had a search warrant, they had every right to do it; a search warrant is an order of the court, and must be executed by the police.

        This is not an unusual event in this era of cyber crime.

        We normally leave him alone to achieve the required state, but every agency has its own policies.
        Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
          Actually, no.

          Two points: if obtained in conjunction with a search warrant, it is evidence, not child porn. Nor is taking a photo of a baby getting a bath child porn. The elements of the offense have to be made for all offenses.

          Second: inasmuch as the police had a search warrant, they had every right to do it; a search warrant is an order of the court, and must be executed by the police.

          This is not an unusual event in this era of cyber crime.

          We normally leave him alone to achieve the required state, but every agency has its own policies.
          If the teenager complied with the police's wish and happened to cum on a police officer's body, would that be considered an assault?

          We know some police officers can be rather slow to get out of way....probably from eating too many donuts.

          Kidding aside, why would the police do that if they know what the teenager was doing was technically legal as noted in the article? Or that a search warrant was even granted in first place?

          Nobody is perfect, but hey, some things really shouldn't require an explanation and simple common sense could prevent this from happening at all.
          Major James Holden, Georgia Badgers Militia of Rainbow Regiment, American Civil War

          "Aim small, miss small."

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Cheetah772 View Post
            If the teenager complied with the police's wish and happened to cum on a police officer's body, would that be considered an assault?
            Simple assault, yes. Meets the elements.

            Originally posted by Cheetah772 View Post
            Kidding aside, why would the police do that if they know what the teenager was doing was technically legal as noted in the article? Or that a search warrant was even granted in first place?
            The article was written by a reporter who didn't even understand that such a procedure is commonplace. Therefore I would not rely upon his or her legal interpretation.

            The judge that signed the search warrant was confident that there was sufficient grounds to issue the warrant.

            Just how do you think we get semen samples to compare in sexual assault cases? Either the subject 'hands' it over, or a medical professional extracts it. A search warrant is neither a request nor a suggestion.
            Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
              Simple assault, yes. Meets the elements.



              The article was written by a reporter who didn't even understand that such a procedure is commonplace. Therefore I would not rely upon his or her legal interpretation.

              The judge that signed the search warrant was confident that there was sufficient grounds to issue the warrant.

              Just how do you think we get semen samples to compare in sexual assault cases? Either the subject 'hands' it over, or a medical professional extracts it. A search warrant is neither a request nor a suggestion.
              Semen has DNA in it, so a simple swab of saliva would do the job, right? I'm no scientist, so feel free to correct me on that.

              Yeah, I know, I probably watch too much of TV crime dramas. So sue me...

              FYI, I'm not defending the reporter, but according to his biography, he has a law degree and worked in litigation industry for a while. So he probably to some extent knows what he's talking about.

              I think this is a matter of different legal interpretations.
              Major James Holden, Georgia Badgers Militia of Rainbow Regiment, American Civil War

              "Aim small, miss small."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Cheetah772 View Post
                Semen has DNA in it, so a simple swab of saliva would do the job, right? I'm no scientist, so feel free to correct me on that.

                Yeah, I know, I probably watch too much of TV crime dramas. So sue me...

                FYI, I'm not defending the reporter, but according to his biography, he has a law degree and worked in litigation industry for a while. So he probably to some extent knows what he's talking about.

                I think this is a matter of different legal interpretations.
                We don't do it as much as we did before DNA moved into the big time, but if the suspect is a secretor it is useful. But we get search warrants for DNA all the time, and if need be we'll hold you down while a medical professional gathers the same. A court order is non-negotiable.

                The judge signed the search warrant; that pretty much absolves the police of all responsibility so long as they apply it to the right guy. A court order means never having to say you're sorry.

                Every case is a matter of different legal interpretations, the biggest being that the defendant doesn't want to be found guilty.
                Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                  Simple assault, yes. Meets the elements.



                  The article was written by a reporter who didn't even understand that such a procedure is commonplace. Therefore I would not rely upon his or her legal interpretation.

                  The judge that signed the search warrant was confident that there was sufficient grounds to issue the warrant.

                  Just how do you think we get semen samples to compare in sexual assault cases? Either the subject 'hands' it over, or a medical professional extracts it. A search warrant is neither a request nor a suggestion.
                  Eww that's gross.
                  Credo quia absurdum.


                  Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
                    Eww that's gross.
                    Indeed.
                    Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cheetah772 View Post
                      The police had a strange way of executing a search warrant on a teenager. They demanded the teenager to drop his pants and masturbate in order to take a picture of his erect penis.

                      Since it was too much for me to bear alone, so I'm sharing the misery with the rest of you. Happy reading!

                      https://www.cato.org/publications/co...ampaign=buffer
                      And yet Trey Sims’ legal guardians had to do exactly that. In an effort to prosecute the 17-year-old for sexting his 15-year-old girlfriend, Manassas police detective David Abbott obtained a search warrant authorizing him to take “photographs of [Sims’] genitals,” including “a photograph of the suspect’s erect penis.” According to court documents, in the process of executing the search warrant, Abbott took the teenager to a juvenile detention center, took him to a locker room and, with two uniformed, armed officers looking on, ordered Sims to pull down his pants.

                      The police should know better than to do that. Taking a picture of a minor's genitals still consist of child pornography no matter how official it is.
                      Not if it's evidence for a criminal case and properly obtained with a warrant. But if it is, then the kid is guilty of pornography, involving his minor girlfriend, himself.
                      Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                      • #12
                        and again govt is involved in high school romance.

                        I am assuming she a freshman he a senior or junior

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                          Actually, no.

                          Two points: if obtained in conjunction with a search warrant, it is evidence, not child porn. Nor is taking a photo of a baby getting a bath child porn. The elements of the offense have to be made for all offenses.

                          Second: inasmuch as the police had a search warrant, they had every right to do it; a search warrant is an order of the court, and must be executed by the police.

                          This is not an unusual event in this era of cyber crime.

                          We normally leave him alone to achieve the required state, but every agency has its own policies.
                          The link to the Federal judgement shows that the officer breached the juvenile’s 4th amendment rights.
                          "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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                          • #14
                            Hey Ben!!!!! Why are you attracted to teen's JO.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                              Hey Ben!!!!! Why are you attracted to teen's JO.
                              Learning how to be more open-minded, my dear friend.

                              Unfortunately to my dismay, open-mindedness is harder to learn than it looks like.

                              The teen might be better off with female Orion slaves. At least this way he can provide the police with his bodily fluids and enjoy his time.
                              Major James Holden, Georgia Badgers Militia of Rainbow Regiment, American Civil War

                              "Aim small, miss small."

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