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  • #31
    Originally posted by III Corps View Post
    Keep in mind AR-15 style weapons were not available while you were growing up.
    Well.....not really. Civilians have been able to acquire military grade weapons throughout our history. Thompson SMGs and BARs wound up in the hands of organized crime and criminals don't take vows of chastity so that means their kids saw then too. High School organizations like the ROTC used weapons that included the semi automatic Garand M1 (and to my knowledge the Garand is still in use in JROTC drill today albeit now in a disabled state). WWII would have generated a surplus sell off meaning there were likely plenty of kids outside of the ROTC who likewise had access to such weapons.

    Guns have always been here, even the military grade ones.
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    • #32
      Many criminals got their Thompsons and BAR's at National Guard Armories. Why pay for a gun you could steal? The most powerful organized crime families could get the local PD to get them weapons. Most automatic weapons were NOT in small town PD's, which is why the Bank Robbers liked them.

      I was a member of the Calcasieu Parish Junior Deputy Program when I was a boy. We were given a demonstration of Sheriff's arsenal one Saturday morning. They fired off a Reising SMG for us at the range. They did not show us any Thompsons. Of course the Reising was dirt cheap after WWII.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
        Many criminals got their Thompsons and BAR's at National Guard Armories. Why pay for a gun you could steal? The most powerful organized crime families could get the local PD to get them weapons. Most automatic weapons were NOT in small town PD's, which is why the Bank Robbers liked them.

        I was a member of the Calcasieu Parish Junior Deputy Program when I was a boy. We were given a demonstration of Sheriff's arsenal one Saturday morning. They fired off a Reising SMG for us at the range. They did not show us any Thompsons. Of course the Reising was dirt cheap after WWII.

        Pruitt
        Don't forget the good Ole M-1 Carbine. Those were around, in civilian hands, when I was a kid. Semi-auto, 30 round magazines, sounds like an "assault rifle" to me.

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        • #34
          The Symbionese Liberation Army used a number of M-1 Carbines that had been converted by a machinist to full auto. It is a mystery what happened to the several real submachine guns that were pictured in a couple of their bank robberies. Supposedly the new build M-1 Carbines can not be converted?

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          • #35
            Originally posted by phil74501 View Post
            Don't forget the good Ole M-1 Carbine. Those were around, in civilian hands, when I was a kid. Semi-auto, 30 round magazines, sounds like an "assault rifle" to me.
            Had one of those since 1957 an IBM, still have it!
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            • #36
              I looked up the stats on wikipedia, for whatever that's worth. School shootings have been increasing steadily since the 1950s. At this rate the 2020s will have even more. Gun regulation has increased over the same time period, and liberals want to regulate them even more.

              I don't know what's causing this. Maybe it has to do with the rise of Communism/Socialism and the leftist "counter-culture." After all it was the liberals in the 70s who committed domestic terrorism, with bombs of all things.
              But maybe it's not political, I don't know.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by American87 View Post
                I looked up the stats on wikipedia, for whatever that's worth. School shootings have been increasing steadily since the 1950s. At this rate the 2020s will have even more. Gun regulation has increased over the same time period, and liberals want to regulate them even more.

                I don't know what's causing this. Maybe it has to do with the rise of Communism/Socialism and the leftist "counter-culture." After all it was the liberals in the 70s who committed domestic terrorism, with bombs of all things.
                But maybe it's not political, I don't know.
                If you look up the studies you'll find out many SSRI drugs cause unstable people to get even more so.

                10. Desvenlafaxine (Pristiq) An antidepressant which affects both serotonin and noradrenaline, this drug is 7.9 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.

                9. Venlafaxine (Effexor) A drug related to Pristiq in the same class of antidepressants, both are also used to treat anxiety disorders. Effexor is 8.3 times more likely than other drugs to be related to violent behavior.

                8. Fluvoxamine (Luvox) An antidepressant that affects serotonin (SSRI), Luvox is 8.4 times more likely than other medications to be linked with violence

                7. Triazolam (Halcion) A benzodiazepine which can be addictive, used to treat insomnia. Halcion is 8.7 times more likely to be linked with violence than other drugs, according to the study.

                6) Atomoxetine (Strattera) Used to treat attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), Strattera affects the neurotransmitter noradrenaline and is 9 times more likely to be linked with violence compared to the average medication.

                5) Mefoquine (Lariam) A treatment for malaria, Lariam has long been linked with reports of bizarre behavior. It is 9.5 times more likely to be linked with violence than other drugs.

                4) Amphetamines: (Various) Amphetamines are used to treat ADHD and affect the brainís dopamine and noradrenaline systems. They are 9.6 times more likely to be linked to violence, compared to other drugs.

                3) Paroxetine (Paxil) An SSRI antidepressant, Paxil is also linked with more severe withdrawal symptoms and a greater risk of birth defects compared to other medications in that class. It is 10.3 times more likely to be linked with violence compared to other drugs. (More on

                2) Fluoxetine (Prozac) The first well-known SSRI antidepressant, Prozac is 10.9 times more likely to be linked with violence in comparison with other medications.

                1) Varenicline (Chantix) The anti-smoking medication Chantix affects the nicotinic acetylcholine receptor, which helps reduce craving for smoking. Unfortunately, itís 18 times more likely to be linked with violence compared to other drugs ó by comparison, that number for Xyban is 3.9 and just 1.9 for nicotine replacement. Because Chantix is slightly superior in terms of quit rates in comparison to other drugs, it shouldnít necessarily be ruled out as an option for those trying to quit, however.


                http://healthland.time.com/2011/01/0...d-to-violence/
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                • #38
                  So? Just build one of these... Crank fire is not considered full auto and therefore not covered. Nor is this using a "bump stock."

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by III Corps View Post
                    Keep in mind AR-15 style weapons were not available while you were growing up.
                    There were semiautomatic rifles on the market since the introduction of the 1907 Winchester semiautomatic in .32 cal.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by phil74501 View Post
                      Don't forget the good Ole M-1 Carbine. Those were around, in civilian hands, when I was a kid. Semi-auto, 30 round magazines, sounds like an "assault rifle" to me.
                      And the M1 carbines where dirt cheap in the 60s and 70s.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
                        If you look up the studies you'll find out many SSRI drugs cause unstable people to get even more so.

                        10. Desvenlafaxine (Pristiq) An antidepressant which affects both serotonin and noradrenaline, this drug is 7.9 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.

                        9. Venlafaxine (Effexor) A drug related to Pristiq in the same class of antidepressants, both are also used to treat anxiety disorders. Effexor is 8.3 times more likely than other drugs to be related to violent behavior.

                        8. Fluvoxamine (Luvox) An antidepressant that affects serotonin (SSRI), Luvox is 8.4 times more likely than other medications to be linked with violence

                        7. Triazolam (Halcion) A benzodiazepine which can be addictive, used to treat insomnia. Halcion is 8.7 times more likely to be linked with violence than other drugs, according to the study.

                        6) Atomoxetine (Strattera) Used to treat attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), Strattera affects the neurotransmitter noradrenaline and is 9 times more likely to be linked with violence compared to the average medication.

                        5) Mefoquine (Lariam) A treatment for malaria, Lariam has long been linked with reports of bizarre behavior. It is 9.5 times more likely to be linked with violence than other drugs.

                        4) Amphetamines: (Various) Amphetamines are used to treat ADHD and affect the brainís dopamine and noradrenaline systems. They are 9.6 times more likely to be linked to violence, compared to other drugs.

                        3) Paroxetine (Paxil) An SSRI antidepressant, Paxil is also linked with more severe withdrawal symptoms and a greater risk of birth defects compared to other medications in that class. It is 10.3 times more likely to be linked with violence compared to other drugs. (More on

                        2) Fluoxetine (Prozac) The first well-known SSRI antidepressant, Prozac is 10.9 times more likely to be linked with violence in comparison with other medications.

                        1) Varenicline (Chantix) The anti-smoking medication Chantix affects the nicotinic acetylcholine receptor, which helps reduce craving for smoking. Unfortunately, itís 18 times more likely to be linked with violence compared to other drugs ó by comparison, that number for Xyban is 3.9 and just 1.9 for nicotine replacement. Because Chantix is slightly superior in terms of quit rates in comparison to other drugs, it shouldnít necessarily be ruled out as an option for those trying to quit, however.


                        http://healthland.time.com/2011/01/0...d-to-violence/
                        That's a good point. It's also true that schools are "gun free zones," which means shooters have no deterent from attacking them.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by American87 View Post
                          That's a good point. It's also true that schools are "gun free zones," which means shooters have no deterent from attacking them.
                          Don't most schools have cops on duty? The last shooting had one.

                          http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/br...222-story.html

                          I guess what I'm saying is the real difference is the drugs that are available and over prescribed. Just my thoughts, though the culture of violence and glorification of the shooters is part of the problem.
                          Last edited by Bwaha; 22 Feb 18, 22:28.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Trung Si View Post
                            Had one of those since 1957 an IBM, still have it!
                            my uncle had one he took with him from the corp.........Korean war vet.

                            How he did that i'll never know... he sold it back in the 60's............not much to it.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by American87 View Post
                              I looked up the stats on wikipedia, for whatever that's worth. School shootings have been increasing steadily since the 1950s. At this rate the 2020s will have even more. Gun regulation has increased over the same time period, and liberals want to regulate them even more.

                              I don't know what's causing this. Maybe it has to do with the rise of Communism/Socialism and the leftist "counter-culture." After all it was the liberals in the 70s who committed domestic terrorism, with bombs of all things.
                              But maybe it's not political, I don't know.
                              our population has also almost doubled since 1960...........more people......more nuts

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
                                Don't most schools have cops on duty? The last shooting had one.
                                The year after I left it, my last school had a Hall Monitor who was a retired Deputy Sheriff. All he could do is tell students in the halls to get to class. The second or third day of classes, a once retired English Teacher had some students duct tape him to his chair. He hollered off and on for several hours before someone in the office took notice (the classroom and office are not far apart). The students surrounded him at his desk and asked for his help and then pulled out the tape. They tied his feet together with a tie he had told him that his wife had given him before she had died. He was so lonely he decided to go back to teaching. He was Black so Personnel thought he could handle one of the worst behaving schools in the district. After several more days there of him saying he was not going to let them run him off, he retired again.

                                A lot depends on the guidelines you give the school patrol officers. If all he can do is tell the kids to go to class, they take advantage fast. This school had two males that scared the kids to death. One was the Vice Principal and the other was the Basketball Coach. One teacher had complained to the Assistant Principal that the students would not bring their books to class. The Assistant Principal came that hour the next day and observed the teacher was doing a good job and the students did not bring their books. He talked to the students and told them they would bring their books from now on and they did for the rest of the year!

                                Pruitt
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