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  • #16
    Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
    If the FBI had followed up on their two solid leads, the Miami field office would have contacted the Broward County Sheriff's office and even Inspector Clouseau would have been able to prevent this one particular crime.
    how by taking away the guys civil rights without due process.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by craven View Post
      how by taking away the guys civil rights without due process.
      “Looking in hindsight, [FBI] could have dug deeper, possibly, done the forensics, done court orders to see who had that Instagram account or that handle. There may have been more they could have done.” former FBI Assistant Director Chris Swecker told FOX Business’ Kennedy.

      [...]

      “In this case, with all the red flag warnings that they were…I think you could have gotten a restraining order to keep him from even setting foot within 100 feet of that campus and allowed him or would of been able to have him arrested the minute he set foot near that property,” he said.
      http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/...-massacre.html

      If they put the FBI's leads together with BCSO's knowledge of Cruz's behavioral issues, they might have even been able to detain him under the Baker Act.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
        Yep. How can you instantly tell a new guy to the department from a veteran? The new guy will ask for someone's name. The veteran will walk up and say "Bob, what the hell happened this time?"
        Ain't that the truth.

        Being called repeatedly to a given address is proof of nothing, in an of itself.

        The most common reasons IME are domestic issues and party locations. Friday night comes, the Keystone Lite starts flowing, and the neighbors start calling.

        Before the night's over you've got two arrests for PI, three for disorderly conduct, and the owner or lessee has a citation for noise. Saturday, repeat, plus the owner/leaseee goes to jail for noise.

        Regular Police interaction interaction is a part of some people's lives. I got to know four generations of some families; started out throwing people in jail for weekend hijinks, met their kids through juvie problems, then as adults, then their kids as juvies, then adults, and so forth.

        You work an agency long enough you know every in given clans. You arrest a guy, on the way to the jail you inquire if his dad made parole, which unit his grandfather is in, has his kid made bail yet, how many years his ex got for passing bad paper.
        Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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        • #19
          Yup, dealt with a kid in a group home. Encounter started by him telling me when his dad gets out for that bank robbery I took him to prison for.
          Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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          • #20
            Originally posted by craven View Post
            how by taking away the guys civil rights without due process.
            someone should have started some kind of "process"

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            • #21
              One can imagine what happened in these 39 visits, the mother is being attacked by her out of control teenager, she calls 911, the police arrive the kid has left before they got there or has calmed down, the officers ask the mother if she wants to press charges and she declined, she just wanted to “scare her little boy”.
              And so there is no record of an arrest. So when he buys a weapon nothing shows up on his background check.
              Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
              Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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              • #22
                Originally posted by jeffdoorgunnr View Post
                someone should have started some kind of "process"
                YEP
                "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by jeffdoorgunnr View Post
                  someone should have started some kind of "process"
                  Such as?

                  If no law is broken, the police just restore order as best they can and go about their business.

                  Lots of people have regular dealings with the police. It isn't a crime in and of itself.
                  Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                    One can imagine what happened in these 39 visits, the mother is being attacked by her out of control teenager, she calls 911, the police arrive the kid has left before they got there or has calmed down, the officers ask the mother if she wants to press charges and she declined, she just wanted to “scare her little boy”.
                    And so there is no record of an arrest. So when he buys a weapon nothing shows up on his background check.
                    Or more likely, the neighbors call because they're sick of mother & son yelling at each other.

                    Since most gun purchases do not involve any background check, the point is moot anyway.
                    Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                      Or more likely, the neighbors call because they're sick of mother & son yelling at each other.

                      Since most gun purchases do not involve any background check, the point is moot anyway.
                      As the information is forthcoming we will have to see, but the reports I’ve read say elder abuse was reported at least once in those 39 visits.
                      If the punk bought his AR at a gun store there will be paperwork and a background check, or at least what the ATF claims is a background check.
                      No offense intended toward LEOs but if we are ever going to even attempt to prevent these events it will require taking these situations more seriously.
                      Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                      Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                        As the information is forthcoming we will have to see, but the reports I’ve read say elder abuse was reported at least once in those 39 visits.
                        If the punk bought his AR at a gun store there will be paperwork and a background check, or at least what the ATF claims is a background check.
                        No offense intended toward LEOs but if we are ever going to even attempt to prevent these events it will require taking these situations more seriously.
                        Either PC exists or it doesn't. If it doesn't, that's the end of it. IIC his mother isn't old enough to qualify as elder abuse in any case.

                        The kid is most likely mentally ill, which as you know from our previous discussions in not a crime and is barred by Federal law (recently strengthened) from showing up on background checks. In any case 10-12 encounters a year isn't all that many. If we jailed everyone in my burg who had had 10+ encounters with the police in a given year the jail would explode. I know guys who have been arrested that many times in a year.

                        And if he purchased the rifle at a garage sale, flea market, or newspaper add it wouldn't matter if he was a felon. Or bought it illegally.

                        Background checks are a bluff. In 2015 DoJ prosecuted 12 cases out of over 100,000 reported, because the legal grounds for background checks are thinner than the paper the statute is printed upon. They are afraid someone will appeal and a higher court will throw the entire mess out.
                        Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                          Either PC exists or it doesn't. If it doesn't, that's the end of it. IIC his mother isn't old enough to qualify as elder abuse in any case.

                          The kid is most likely mentally ill, which as you know from our previous discussions in not a crime and is barred by Federal law (recently strengthened) from showing up on background checks. In any case 10-12 encounters a year isn't all that many. If we jailed everyone in my burg who had had 10+ encounters with the police in a given year the jail would explode. I know guys who have been arrested that many times in a year.

                          And if he purchased the rifle at a garage sale, flea market, or newspaper add it wouldn't matter if he was a felon. Or bought it illegally.

                          Background checks are a bluff. In 2015 DoJ prosecuted 12 cases out of over 100,000 reported, because the legal grounds for background checks are thinner than the paper the statute is printed upon. They are afraid someone will appeal and a higher court will throw the entire mess out.
                          The police records haven’t been released yet, but this is what is being reported

                          But the nature of the emergencies at his Parkland home included “mentally ill person,” “child/elderly abuse,” “domestic disturbance” and “missing person,” KTLA reported.
                          The mother passed at age 68, which is considered senior, I don’t know how old Roger Cruz, the father was when he passed away.
                          The vague report is that he legally purchased his weapon. Not enough detail to know if that means a private purchase or from a dealer.
                          Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                          Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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                          • #28
                            This why I'm kicked off at the media, they endlessly speculate and get it wrong all the time. How about them spending the time talking about what they know...
                            Credo quia absurdum.


                            Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                              The police records haven’t been released yet, but this is what is being reported
                              Interesting.

                              Still, it goes back to having PC for an arrest. Those are just the call titles, it doesn't automatically mean you have a crime.

                              Awfully big age gap between son and mother.

                              Florida has decent statutes and it is a tough state. I'm inclined to believe that if they could have arrested him, they would have. But the elements don't always fall together. Or you arrest him but it is too weak to prosecute. Or gets pleaded down. Family issues are a tough situation.

                              Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                              The mother passed at age 68, which is considered senior, I don’t know how old Roger Cruz, the father was when he passed away.
                              The vague report is that he legally purchased his weapon. Not enough detail to know if that means a private purchase or from a dealer.
                              I would guess it means it wasn't stolen when he bought it.


                              The thing is, there are hundreds of thousands of mentally off subjects out there. 99% won't hurt anyone but themselves. A lot of them encounter the police regularly. But every now and then one nut rising above the rest and does something spectacular.

                              We had a guy a couple degrees off plumb. About once a year he would twist off in public and we would have to hammer him down (he was a big guy, usually took 4 of us) and haul him off for a psyche eval. He would do his 72 hours, get back on his meds, and another year would cruise by.

                              Then one year he took a hostage (armed with a knife) and we ended up killing him. I guess he just got tired of messing around anymore.

                              You want undying fame and incredible wealth, device a device that measures mental instability.
                              Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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