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  • Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
    Well at least the President said he would visit the town and visit with the parents.

    Hope he doesn't miss his Tee Time.
    I don't recall Obama visiting any parents, so why the nasty comment about Trump?
    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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    • Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
      We have a mass shooting and violence problem in general that spans past school shootings. The sad thing is, another, probably several more mass shootings will happen in our lifetime. It's a major issue that we continue to ignore because we refuse to reflect internally. The population argument doesn't hold weight because you can combine different countries and still not see the level of mass violence that we experience in the US. We have to look at what's wrong with American culture as a whole.
      Actually when it comes to violence in general, it is at an all time low. You have to be careful about letting yourself be affected by the media sensationalist machine. We have more shootings NUMERICALLY than in ages past but PER CAPITA (the true indicator of trends) the violence in our society has been declining. More high schoolers are killed by car accidents and even cancer. School shootings are high profile in the media and definitely something needing to be addressed but the reality of life is that the drive to school is more dangerous than the threat of a gunman.

      And actually compared to other countries our per capita violence differs by a mere fraction. It has already been noted that the odds of being the victim of a violent death in America isn't even a full percentage point higher than it is in the UK. When it comes to quality of life the UK is really really really safe while America is merely really really safe.

      The great temptations among those who fear gun violence are to look at numbers over percentages, study hype over history, and refrain from in depth case by case analysis. And that can interfere with finding a working solution.

      Here are the truths:

      Violent crime is declining.

      America is only marginally more violent than her peers and even then only in very specific trouble spots (many of which have gun control)

      A vast majority of people will never see gun crime.

      That said here are some more truths:

      Mass shootings among teens, while still extremely rare, still occur and at an increased level than 50 years ago.

      Which presents the interesting quandary of one graph going down while the other goes up. You should still be far more afraid of your teenager's commute to McDonalds than any gunmen but a trend is identified and needs to be addressed.

      More truths:

      Social trends involve multiple x factors. There is no silver bullet for solving them. Gun control came to Scotland and they merely switched to stabbing each other. Nemo me impune lacessit.

      Weapons are tools and not motives.

      To truly combat violence, you need to combat the cause and not the tool.

      I listed some possible factors to be addressed on page 2.
      Last edited by Pirateship1982; 15 Feb 18, 13:51.
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      • Let's just turn schools into day prisons why don't we...?





        Think of it as a class on how to enter a government building or get on an airplane...

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        • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
          Let's just turn schools into day prisons why don't we...?





          Think of it as a class on how to enter a government building or get on an airplane...
          I had to do that everyday in middle school. It didn't bother me at the time, but until we adress our culture of violence what can you do? Crossing your fingers isn't a valid option anymore.
          "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
          - Benjamin Franklin

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          • Why thank you for proving me correct. He had already committed Larceny of a Firearm and Murder prior to going to the school.

            And on Mental Health Reform, I have ALWAYS been pushing for that. You can go back a decade on here and see me pushing for mental health reform. But dealing with the mentally ill properly is something that politicians are incapable of doing. I see it every day, we are in a mental health crisis. First Responders, namely Paramedics and Cops, are right in the thick of it and know how utterly useless our current mental health system is. It's broken, completely broken, built around putting the HIPAA rights of the dangerously sick preeminent to the safety of anyone. There are no long-term care facilities for the dangerously ill, you just hope they take their medications, and hope that family and friends will alert you before they go off. Screening sucks, and you can bring someone in who's totally off the rails, only to see them released from the hospital before you've typed your report. Departments of Social Services are bureaucratic holes filled with bleeding hearts and the most worthless of government drones, who won't even RESPOND, much less take steps. I waited 3 hours for DSS to respond to a mentally ill juvenile who was sexually assaulting multiple other juveniles......they couldn't be bothered to take action and I had no legal recourse of my own to take due to the ages.

            You want to know where we went wrong? We decided that it was a good idea to let government drones raise our kids, and then we decided as society to abdicate to government drones the ability to deal with those who are dangerously mentally ill. Were the asylums bad and full of abuses? Yes. Is our solution working? Hell No.
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            • Originally posted by Pirateship1982 View Post
              Actually when it comes to violence in general, it is at an all time low. You have to be careful about letting yourself be affected by the media sensationalist machine. We have more shootings NUMERICALLY than in ages past but PER CAPITA (the true indicator of trends) the violence in our society has been declining. More high schoolers are killed by car accidents and even cancer. School shootings are high profile in the media and definitely something needing to be addressed but the reality of life is that the drive to school is more dangerous than the threat of a gunman.

              And actually compared to other countries our per capita violence differs by a mere fraction. It has already been noted that the odds of being the victim of a violent death in America isn't even a full percentage point higher than it is in the UK. When it comes to quality of life the UK is really really really safe while America is merely really really safe.

              The great temptations among those who fear gun violence are to look at numbers over percentages, study hype over history, and refrain from in depth case by case analysis. And that can interfere with finding a working solution.

              Here are the truths:

              Violent crime is declining.

              America is only marginally more violent than her peers and even then only in very specific trouble spots (many of which have gun control)

              A vast majority of people will never see gun crime.

              That said here are some more truths:

              Mass shootings among teens, while still extremely rare, still occur and at an increased level than 50 years ago.

              Which presents the interesting quandary of one graph going down while the other goes up. You should still be far more afraid of your teenager's commute to McDonalds than any gunmen but a trend is identified and needs to be addressed.

              More truths:

              Social trends involve multiple x factors. There is no silver bullet for solving them. Gun control came to Scotland and they merely switched to stabbing each other. Nemo me impune lacessit.

              Weapons are tools and not motives.

              To truly combat violence, you need to combat the cause and not the tool.

              I listed some possible factors to be addressed on page 2.
              You're more likely to be killed in a car wreck than you are by a Muslim. But conservatives don't care about putting things in an accurate context until the 2ndA is threatened then all of a sudden we recognize the low likelihood of such dangers.

              Anyway mass violence has increased not decreased. But I do agree it's the people and our culture that's the problem not the guns.
              "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
              - Benjamin Franklin

              The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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              • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                I don't recall Obama visiting any parents, so why the nasty comment about Trump?
                Rhetorical question , I hope , because we do know the answer : everything is the fault of Trump .
                When the New England patriots lost, it was the fault of Trump, when they won it was also his fault .

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                • Originally posted by Pirateship1982 View Post
                  Actually when it comes to violence in general, it is at an all time low. You have to be careful about letting yourself be affected by the media sensationalist machine. We have more shootings NUMERICALLY than in ages past but PER CAPITA (the true indicator of trends) the violence in our society has been declining. More high schoolers are killed by car accidents and even cancer. School shootings are high profile in the media and definitely something needing to be addressed but the reality of life is that the drive to school is more dangerous than the threat of a gunman.

                  And actually compared to other countries our per capita violence differs by a mere fraction. It has already been noted that the odds of being the victim of a violent death in America isn't even a full percentage point higher than it is in the UK. When it comes to quality of life the UK is really really really safe while America is merely really really safe.

                  The great temptations among those who fear gun violence are to look at numbers over percentages, study hype over history, and refrain from in depth case by case analysis. And that can interfere with finding a working solution.

                  Here are the truths:

                  Violent crime is declining.

                  America is only marginally more violent than her peers and even then only in very specific trouble spots (many of which have gun control)

                  A vast majority of people will never see gun crime.

                  That said here are some more truths:

                  Mass shootings among teens, while still extremely rare, still occur and at an increased level than 50 years ago.

                  Which presents the interesting quandary of one graph going down while the other goes up. You should still be far more afraid of your teenager's commute to McDonalds than any gunmen but a trend is identified and needs to be addressed.

                  More truths:

                  Social trends involve multiple x factors. There is no silver bullet for solving them. Gun control came to Scotland and they merely switched to stabbing each other. Nemo me impune lacessit.

                  Weapons are tools and not motives.

                  To truly combat violence, you need to combat the cause and not the tool.

                  I listed some possible factors to be addressed on page 2.


                  Your truths will be ignored because they do not support their goals.


                  The left screeches that we must do something, but their only idea is to try and ban guns.
                  In other words, make mass murder even more illegal.
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                  • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    I don't recall Obama visiting any parents, so why the nasty comment about Trump?
                    You must have been napping

                    Jun 16, 2016 ... The president and vice president Joe Biden will visit Orlando on Thursday, five days after a massacre at a gay nightclub killed 50 people

                    Dec 19, 2015 ... President Barack Obama traveled to California and met privately with victims and families of those killed in the San Bernardino mass shooting this month.

                    Jul 23, 2012 ... (CBS News) During a visit to Aurora, Colo., Sunday, President Obama met with victims of Friday's mass shooting at a movie theater, which killed 12 people and injured 58 others. Mr. Obama, accompanied by Gov. John Hickenlooper, Aurora Mayor Steve Hogan and other local officials, spoke to victims and ...

                    feeling ill informed yet.

                    Oct 9, 2015 ... Less than 24 hours after the latest fatal school shooting on a US college campus, President Barack Obama arrived in Roseburg, Oregon on Friday to discuss the last school shooting that took place at a community college there eight days ago. Obama is meeting privately with the families of victims

                    You want to do a comparison on visit to the troops. You idol Zero in fist year Obama 4. Your supporting a fraud, but he is white, right
                    "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                    Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                    you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                    • Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                      You're more likely to be killed in a car wreck than you are by a Muslim. But conservatives don't care about putting things in an accurate context until the 2ndA is threatened then all of a sudden we recognize the low likelihood of such dangers.

                      Anyway mass violence has increased not decreased. But I do agree it's the people and our culture that's the problem not the guns.
                      You're more likely to die in a car wreck with a Muslim than you are to die from a firearm.

                      But please, go on about how we need to disarm law abiding citizens to make you feel better.

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                      • Originally posted by Naffenea View Post
                        You're more likely to die in a car wreck with a Muslim than you are to die from a firearm.

                        But please, go on about how we need to disarm law abiding citizens to make you feel better.
                        So much pure BS in this thread and you come and pile it higher.
                        "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                        Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                        you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                        • Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                          You must have been napping

                          Jun 16, 2016 ... The president and vice president Joe Biden will visit Orlando on Thursday, five days after a massacre at a gay nightclub killed 50 people

                          Dec 19, 2015 ... President Barack Obama traveled to California and met privately with victims and families of those killed in the San Bernardino mass shooting this month.

                          Jul 23, 2012 ... (CBS News) During a visit to Aurora, Colo., Sunday, President Obama met with victims of Friday's mass shooting at a movie theater, which killed 12 people and injured 58 others. Mr. Obama, accompanied by Gov. John Hickenlooper, Aurora Mayor Steve Hogan and other local officials, spoke to victims and ...

                          feeling ill informed yet.

                          Oct 9, 2015 ... Less than 24 hours after the latest fatal school shooting on a US college campus, President Barack Obama arrived in Roseburg, Oregon on Friday to discuss the last school shooting that took place at a community college there eight days ago. Obama is meeting privately with the families of victims

                          You want to do a comparison on visit to the troops. You idol Zero in fist year Obama 4. Your supporting a fraud, but he is white, right
                          ...but Obama's motives were always purely political.

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                          • Waddya think guys, is he a caring compassionate human being or a friggin CNN snowflake?..-

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                            • Originally posted by Poor Old Spike View Post
                              Waddya think guys, is he a caring compassionate human being or a friggin CNN snowflake?..-

                              Maybe he has a box of sliced raw onions and peppers sitting on his lap. Knowing Fake News CNN, it is entirely possible.............

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                              • Originally posted by Salinator View Post
                                Maybe he has a box of slice raw onions sitting on his lap. Knowing Fake News CNN, it is entirely possible.............

                                , nothing to joke about
                                "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                                Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                                you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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