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  • Urban hermit
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    Originally posted by Massena View Post
    Five navy officers total are being charged, which is an excellent idea. Hopefully, they will all be convicted.

    There is no excuse for the poor seamanship and carelessness that was demonstrated at the cost of 17 dead sailors.
    Indeed, maybe this will wake up the rest of the 7th Fleet COs.

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  • Massena
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    Five navy officers total are being charged, which is an excellent idea. Hopefully, they will all be convicted.

    There is no excuse for the poor seamanship and carelessness that was demonstrated at the cost of 17 dead sailors.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
    Who wants to bet they are allowed to resign and keep rank and retirement benefits (if any)? How often do officers see jail time?

    Pruitt
    Rarely. Remember the commander who surfaced his sub into the Japanese fishery school ship? He didn't do any time.The worst that will happen is loss of pay and benefits.

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
    Who wants to bet they are allowed to resign and keep rank and retirement benefits (if any)? How often do officers see jail time?

    Pruitt
    Because of how the US military justice system works, they are unlikely to be tried for murder, but rather given punitive letters ending their commission. It's really hard to try anyone in the military, particularly officers and senior enlisted, for a crime that doesn't fit typical civil criminal ones. That is, trying these officers for murder is a real stretch. Now, if they'd actually, personally, committed the act that might work.

    Now, there is an obscure law from the early 1800's on the books that they could be tried for hazarding their command and causing the deaths of crew as a result. That is a felony and one they would find hard to beat. They could get double digits in prison for it too.

    Murder? I don't see that one working.

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  • Salinator
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    Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
    Who wants to bet they are allowed to resign and keep rank and retirement benefits (if any)? How often do officers see jail time?

    Pruitt
    They're not flag officers and make for good scapegoats in order to protect the Rear Admirals.

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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
    Who wants to bet they are allowed to resign and keep rank and retirement benefits (if any)? How often do officers see jail time?

    Pruitt
    I don't know if they need to serve jail time, but demotion and dischare would be appropriate.

    Not just for them, but every officer and senior NCO involved in that cluster, and the boards who chose the two for command should be censured.

    There's entirely too much 'that's the system' in the Navy these days, which is how wee get multi-billion dollar ships that can't be used until they are refitted for millions more.

    A 5% pay cut next budget across the board, serving salary and pension benefits both, might get some thinking about a better performance.

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  • Pruitt
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    Who wants to bet they are allowed to resign and keep rank and retirement benefits (if any)? How often do officers see jail time?

    Pruitt

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
    Yep. Clean house. And keep cleaning until the dead weight is gone.
    You mean you want to remove the entire government?

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  • TacCovert4
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    Yep. Clean house. And keep cleaning until the dead weight is gone.

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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    The USN is going to hold people to a standard of conduct?

    The times are changing.

    Let's hope it goes the distance.

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  • Navy filing homicide charges against 2 ship commanders

    Looks like the Navy is going to clean house.

    WASHINGTON The Navy says it is filing negligent homicide charges against the commanders of two ships involved in fatal collisions last year.

    The charges are to be presented at what the military calls an Article 32 hearing, which will determine whether the accused are court-martialed.

    The actions, including charges against several lower-ranking officers, were announced Tuesday by the Navy's chief spokesman, Capt. Greg Hicks.

    Hicks says the decision to file charges was made by Adm. Frank Caldwell, head of the Navy's nuclear reactors program, who reviewed evidence of what caused the collisions. The USS Fitzgerald collided with a commercial ship in waters off Japan in June, killing seven sailors. Ten sailors were killed when the USS John S. McCain collided with an oil tanker in Southeast Asia in August.

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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/na...0OO?li=BBnb7Kz

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