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  • Navy filing homicide charges against 2 ship commanders

    Looks like the Navy is going to clean house.

    WASHINGTON — The Navy says it is filing negligent homicide charges against the commanders of two ships involved in fatal collisions last year.

    The charges are to be presented at what the military calls an Article 32 hearing, which will determine whether the accused are court-martialed.

    The actions, including charges against several lower-ranking officers, were announced Tuesday by the Navy's chief spokesman, Capt. Greg Hicks.

    Hicks says the decision to file charges was made by Adm. Frank Caldwell, head of the Navy's nuclear reactors program, who reviewed evidence of what caused the collisions. The USS Fitzgerald collided with a commercial ship in waters off Japan in June, killing seven sailors. Ten sailors were killed when the USS John S. McCain collided with an oil tanker in Southeast Asia in August.

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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/na...0OO?li=BBnb7Kz
    Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
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    The USN is going to hold people to a standard of conduct?

    The times are changing.

    Let's hope it goes the distance.
    Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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    • #3
      Yep. Clean house. And keep cleaning until the dead weight is gone.
      Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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      • #4
        Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
        Yep. Clean house. And keep cleaning until the dead weight is gone.
        You mean you want to remove the entire government?

        Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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        • #5
          Who wants to bet they are allowed to resign and keep rank and retirement benefits (if any)? How often do officers see jail time?

          Pruitt
          Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

          Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

          by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
            Who wants to bet they are allowed to resign and keep rank and retirement benefits (if any)? How often do officers see jail time?

            Pruitt
            I don't know if they need to serve jail time, but demotion and dischare would be appropriate.

            Not just for them, but every officer and senior NCO involved in that cluster, and the boards who chose the two for command should be censured.

            There's entirely too much 'that's the system' in the Navy these days, which is how wee get multi-billion dollar ships that can't be used until they are refitted for millions more.

            A 5% pay cut next budget across the board, serving salary and pension benefits both, might get some thinking about a better performance.
            Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
              Who wants to bet they are allowed to resign and keep rank and retirement benefits (if any)? How often do officers see jail time?

              Pruitt
              They're not flag officers and make for good scapegoats in order to protect the Rear Admirals.
              Flag: USA / Location: West Coast

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
                Who wants to bet they are allowed to resign and keep rank and retirement benefits (if any)? How often do officers see jail time?

                Pruitt
                Because of how the US military justice system works, they are unlikely to be tried for murder, but rather given punitive letters ending their commission. It's really hard to try anyone in the military, particularly officers and senior enlisted, for a crime that doesn't fit typical civil criminal ones. That is, trying these officers for murder is a real stretch. Now, if they'd actually, personally, committed the act that might work.

                Now, there is an obscure law from the early 1800's on the books that they could be tried for hazarding their command and causing the deaths of crew as a result. That is a felony and one they would find hard to beat. They could get double digits in prison for it too.

                Murder? I don't see that one working.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
                  Who wants to bet they are allowed to resign and keep rank and retirement benefits (if any)? How often do officers see jail time?

                  Pruitt
                  Rarely. Remember the commander who surfaced his sub into the Japanese fishery school ship? He didn't do any time.The worst that will happen is loss of pay and benefits.
                  Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                  • #10
                    Five navy officers total are being charged, which is an excellent idea. Hopefully, they will all be convicted.

                    There is no excuse for the poor seamanship and carelessness that was demonstrated at the cost of 17 dead sailors.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Massena View Post
                      Five navy officers total are being charged, which is an excellent idea. Hopefully, they will all be convicted.

                      There is no excuse for the poor seamanship and carelessness that was demonstrated at the cost of 17 dead sailors.
                      Indeed, maybe this will wake up the rest of the 7th Fleet COs.
                      Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                      Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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