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  • #46
    You'll have to truck the water in, the government and big business have already spoken for it. ☠️

    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    It may be less green but creosote and many of the other plants in those pictures retain some green year round. Aside from that, who cares? You can make your piece of the desert greener once the septic is installed. Also by using proper rainwater harvesting you can green things up more.
    My worst jump story:
    My 13th jump was on the 13th day of the month, aircraft number 013.
    As recorded on my DA Form 1307 Individual Jump Log.
    No lie.

    ~
    "Everything looks all right. Have a good jump, eh."
    -2 Commando Jumpmaster

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    • #47
      Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
      ...
      Quite frankly, just on that alone, 'modern' americans simply couldn't cope with living out in BFE on their 40 acres. They couldn't cope with getting a boo boo and having to drive themselves to the doctor for a couple of stitches. They couldn't cope with a disagreement with a neighbor and the Sheriff won't be able to get there for 3 hours. Ditto a rabid animal shows up on their land....there ain't no animal control in BFE, animal control is your trusty .270 and a steady aim.

      The environment? Hell, they can't act like adults when they have all necessary services and things within easy driving or walking distance. How the heck are we going to expect them to act like adults when they have to figure out how to shop for a week at a time, two weeks if they want to save themselves a 2 hour drive and gas......
      This is why I recommended that ex-BLM plots be made available to Immigrants.
      To someone from Somalia, for example, it would probably be a hell of a lot better than the land they had been struggling with back home.

      And no, 40 acres is a joke, this ain't the 1860s any more!
      400 would be more like it, considering all the pastureland you would need for just a handful of livestock.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
        This is why I recommended that ex-BLM plots be made available to Immigrants.
        To someone from Somalia, for example, it would probably be a hell of a lot better than the land they had been struggling with back home.

        And no, 40 acres is a joke, this ain't the 1860s any more!
        400 would be more like it, considering all the pastureland you would need for just a handful of livestock.
        These kind of plans require the elimination of the welfare state unless you are going to bring back serfdom. People are free to move where they like and the history of people leaving rural areas reflects how few people really want that lifestyle. Immigrants will be the same as any other group.

        The best use for this land is to build nuclear power plants on in my opinion. The lack of water is no problem if the government would pull their heads out and promote molten salt reactors. These environments are extremely fragile and nuclear power plants will not damage them.
        We hunt the hunters

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        • #49
          Originally posted by 101combatvet View Post
          So Bundy and his followers go to jail for messing up federal property and not paying for it, white (bad) boys go to prison, and they intentionally tried to frame them so the sentence would be more significant. A few thousand dollars in damage and the feds pay millions in their legal case.

          Black (good) rioters destroy several cities like Ferguson, Baltimore, Salt Lake City, Charlotte, with several hundred million in damage while the feds under Obama do next to nothing.

          Does anyone see a problem here?
          your behind the times your probally looking at 100k plus damages easy

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
            Didn't the Feds seize all of Bundy's cattle? If so, how long will it take to get them back?

            Pruitt
            they don't come back Been awhile since read that sections but it does work like and impound lot.

            that a whole other sets laws and regulations


            So unless he was let off for the illegal grazing he wont get them back

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            • #51
              Hard to believe, but okay and you ignore the 80 plus millions of dollars blacks destroy in Baltimore for nothing.

              Originally posted by craven View Post
              your behind the times your probally looking at 100k plus damages easy
              My worst jump story:
              My 13th jump was on the 13th day of the month, aircraft number 013.
              As recorded on my DA Form 1307 Individual Jump Log.
              No lie.

              ~
              "Everything looks all right. Have a good jump, eh."
              -2 Commando Jumpmaster

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              • #52
                Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
                These kind of plans require the elimination of the welfare state unless you are going to bring back serfdom. People are free to move where they like and the history of people leaving rural areas reflects how few people really want that lifestyle. Immigrants will be the same as any other group.
                No, they really are not.

                And no, I don't think that all immigrants are like that, or would want to lock their kids into that life for generations, which is what the welfare path is.

                Make it an option for them. Sure, not many will take it, but the ones that do and make it will make the whole program worthwhile.
                If we don't at least step aside and let them give it a try, is this still America anymore?

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by 101combatvet View Post
                  Hard to believe, but okay and you ignore the 80 plus millions of dollars blacks destroy in Baltimore for nothing.
                  and racial attack way to go and here I just providing you information

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                  • #54
                    Well, no apologies from those who mocked the fact that this was all a set-up, and that the GOvt had been running a botched job right from the start?

                    No acknowledgment that raising the rent like a Slum-Lord in New York could never get away with is ALSO something the Freds should not get away with?

                    Ending the trial like that prevented a lot of things from coming out in the discovery process, I just hope a sharp lawyer sees his chance and takes this to civil court, where the real money is.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
                      Well, no apologies from those who mocked the fact that this was all a set-up, and that the GOvt had been running a botched job right from the start?

                      No acknowledgment that raising the rent like a Slum-Lord in New York could never get away with is ALSO something the Freds should not get away with?

                      Ending the trial like that prevented a lot of things from coming out in the discovery process, I just hope a sharp lawyer sees his chance and takes this to civil court, where the real money is.
                      um actually the rent raise are typical as conservatives have pushed the government to be ran more like a business.

                      This trend started over 25 years ago.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by craven View Post
                        um actually the rent raise are typical as conservatives have pushed the government to be ran more like a business.

                        This trend started over 25 years ago.
                        The big rise in costs has come from environmental groups. These have taken to counter bidding on land auctions and leases the BLM holds simply to drive the price up for serious bidders, like ranchers and miners, who they see as evil.

                        These often "bogus bidders" have largely been barred from participating as a result, because if they do win the bid they'll usually disappear rather than pony up the payment. That is to say, they're not serious bidders, don't have the money they're bidding with, and are there just to monkey wrench the process.

                        In the Bundy case, a number of environmental groups used various excuses to try and prod the government into seizing his cattle and ending his leases.

                        https://www.grainews.ca/daily/u-s-as...ect-tortoises#

                        https://www.peer.org/assets/clips/E&...ndy_Cattle.pdf

                        http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/04/21...sert-tortoises

                        But the Bundy standoff is really the culmination of a long battle with environmentalists who want to keep federal lands off limits to economic activity. The primary vehicle used by government officials and environmentalists to advance this goal has been the desert tortoise, which was listed as “threatened” under the Endangered Species Act in 1990.
                        With the Obama administration, environmental groups found a willing participant to carry out this take back of land and seizing of private property (cattle).
                        Last edited by T. A. Gardner; 15 Jan 18, 15:14.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                          The big rise in costs has come from environmental groups. These have taken to counter bidding on land auctions and leases the BLM holds simply to drive the price up for serious bidders, like ranchers and miners, who they see as evil.

                          These often "bogus bidders" have largely been barred from participating as a result, because if they do win the bid they'll usually disappear rather than pony up the payment. That is to say, they're not serious bidders, don't have the money they're bidding with, and are there just to monkey wrench the process.

                          In the Bundy case, a number of environmental groups used various excuses to try and prod the government into seizing his cattle and ending his leases.

                          https://www.grainews.ca/daily/u-s-as...ect-tortoises#

                          https://www.peer.org/assets/clips/E&...ndy_Cattle.pdf

                          http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/04/21...sert-tortoises



                          With the Obama administration, environmental groups found a willing participant to carry out this take back of land and seizing of private property (cattle).
                          actually if the tortoise is an issue this is even a bigger issue.

                          And this was not a Obama issue it a land management issue seen this many times. Not knowing how Bundy grazed or did not grazed we are not able to make any conclusions

                          But if the fed were wanting the animals off the property you can be fairly sure over grazing was an issue. Or they are spreading noxious weeds although that probally been done. Plus they probally were increasing fire risk

                          Now your fake bidders is a new one for me. Usually your not allowed to bid on govt contracts unless you can show the govt money at some point in the process. At least timber contracts

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by craven View Post
                            actually if the tortoise is an issue this is even a bigger issue.

                            And this was not a Obama issue it a land management issue seen this many times. Not knowing how Bundy grazed or did not grazed we are not able to make any conclusions

                            But if the fed were wanting the animals off the property you can be fairly sure over grazing was an issue. Or they are spreading noxious weeds although that probally been done. Plus they probally were increasing fire risk

                            Now your fake bidders is a new one for me. Usually your not allowed to bid on govt contracts unless you can show the govt money at some point in the process. At least timber contracts
                            The tortoise was an excuse. The BLM had no idea how many tortoises were on that land, if any. Look at the Ivanpah solar plant. They found tortoises on that land and had to move them. Environmentalists generally didn't care, as it was a "good" solar plant, not a "bad" rancher that was involved.

                            The environmentalists had an agenda, they just needed a cause to get the BLM to act.

                            As for fake bidders...

                            Tim DeChristopher, 27, faces possible federal charges after winning bids totaling about $1.8 million on more than 10 lease parcels that he admits he has neither the intention nor the money to buy -- and he's not sorry.
                            "I decided I could be much more effective by an act of civil disobedience," he said during an impromptu streetside news conference during an afternoon blizzard. "There comes a time to take a stand."
                            The Sugar House resident -- questioned and released after disrupting a U.S. Bureau of Land Management lease auction of 149,000 acres of public land in scenic southern and eastern Utah -- said he came to the BLM's state office in Salt Lake City to join about 200 other activists in a peaceful protest outside the building Friday morning. But then he registered with the BLM as representing himself and went to the auction room.
                            https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...upts-lands-bid

                            Bundy isn't the first, nor will he be the last, rancher to be attacked by environmentalists in this manner.

                            Here in Arizona, one was done the same way back in the early 90's. That guy however, had lots and lots of video of the environmentalist groups doing "Monkey wrenching" on his land that they intended to use as reasons he wasn't fit to be using it.
                            This went to court, he counter sued the environmental groups, then presented the videos. The government shut up immediately and dropped their case, followed by him winning against the environmental groups who promptly went bankrupt.
                            It was cases like that one that has forced the Left into their more amorphous organizing like you see with Antifa or even BLM today. They know if they are organized as anything close to a real business or whatever, they'll lose their @$$es in lawsuits. So, they network below the radar so-to-speak.

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