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  • Is the New York Times really this clueless?

    They published this article:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp
    Nearly a year into his presidency, Mr. Trump remains an erratic, idiosyncratic leader on the global stage, an insurgent who attacks allies the United States has nurtured since World War II and who can seem more at home with America’s adversaries. His Twitter posts, delivered without warning or consultation, often make a mockery of his administration’s policies and subvert the messages his emissaries are trying to deliver abroad.
    What I see is Trump has a very clear idea where he wants foreign policy to go, and the only reason the NYT calls him "erratic (and) idiosyncratic" is because he isn't following the usual Left of Center US script. He isn't an "insurgent" either.
    What I see is a President making good on his "America first" promise. He's demanding NATO cough up their fair share of the defense burden and to not be wasting it on Taj Mahal office buildings.

    I doubt that he'll take Argentina's side on the Falklands issue at an OAS meeting like Obama did. I also doubt he'll tell those European states that are putting cash into defense to cough up more if they're paying what he sees as their fair share.

    I don't see him particularly cozying up to Russia (he's going to sell Ukraine arms) or China. He turned around the ISIS situation this year by letting the US military do pretty much what they wanted to end it.
    Sure, he's a bit of a raving loon on Twitter, but who cares? It's results, not talk that count.

    Mr. Trump has pulled out of trade and climate change agreements and denounced the 2015 nuclear deal with Iran. He has broken with decades of American policy in the Middle East by recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. And he has taunted Kim Jong-un of North Korea as “short and fat,” fanning fears of war on the peninsula.
    This is only really upsetting to the Progressive Left (eg., Democrats). I think most Americans think pulling out of the Paris accords was a good thing, just as denouncing Iran was. Only the Left is upset with the Jerusalem thing. The rest of us either don't care, consider it meaningless, or like it.
    Kim Jong-un is short and fat. I like that Trump mocks his wobbly @$$.

    Above all, Mr. Trump has transformed the world’s view of the United States from a reliable anchor of the liberal, rules-based international order into something more inward-looking and unpredictable.
    This is what really galls and burns the NYT. They can't stand he won't even put up the pretense of trying to work with Progressive Leftists. They are aghast and appalled that they are being ignored and their politics trampled under foot by his administration.

    The president takes credit for eradicating the caliphate built by the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq, though he mainly accelerated a battle plan developed by President Barack Obama. His aides say he has reversed Mr. Obama’s passive approach to Iran, in part by disavowing the nuclear deal.
    Here they try to make Obama out to be the smart guy when it was his dithering and incompetence in the Middle East that created ISIS. Worse, after eight years of trying he accomplished little towards eradicating them. Trump got that done in under a year, like it or not.

    “Most foreign leaders are still trying to get a handle on him,” said Richard N. Haass, a top State Department official in the George W. Bush administration who is now the president of the Council on Foreign Relations. “Everywhere I go, I’m still getting asked, ‘Help us understand this president, help us navigate this situation.’
    Here's more proof it's the Progressive Left that simply doesn't get it. They can't figure Trump out because he isn't one of them, nor is he willing to knuckle under to their agenda. They don't know how to negotiate with someone who won't give in to their demands even a little.

    Few countries have struggled more to adapt to Mr. Trump than Germany, and few leaders seem less personally in sync with him than its leader, Chancellor Angela Merkel, the physicist turned politician. After she won a fourth term, their relationship took on weighty symbolism: the great disrupter versus the last defender of the liberal world order.
    Merkel doesn't get him because she's a Progressive Leftist. She can't comprehend someone who doesn't speak the dogma of the Left and won't let the Left have their way. For Progressives, it's always been "What's ours is ours, what's yours is negotiable" with the rest of the political spectrum. She seemingly can't comprehend a politician saying "This is what I want. How are you going to help make it happen?" when what that politician wants isn't in accord with the Left's politics.

    They mention globalism versus nationalism and how the globalists are baffled by Trump's nationalism. It's just another sign the Progressives simply are confounded by him. They can't grasp anyone in his position would deny them expansion of their dogma.

    The NYT is as baffled by Trump as Europe is because Trump won't play nice with the Left.

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    The Times is simply a political mouthpiece.
    Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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    • #3
      Never ask a silly question and expect serious answers!

      Pruitt
      Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

      Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

      by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"

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      • #4
        The people who see themselves as children of the enlightenment, as members of the intellectual elite, can never admit when they are wrong. Their claim to being the legitimate holder of power is based not on demonstrated competency but on self congratulatory intellectual virtue. They can barely admit they were wrong about the Soviet Union and Cuba let alone Trump.

        The people at the NYT have worked directly with the CIA. You could ask that surely the CIA is not a hotbed of progressives. It also seems that the NYT preferred neo con fascist such as the Bush administration to Trump. Again you have to ask how could supposed leftist even tentatively support fascists. The answer is that most ideologically possessed people believe that any compromise is acceptable in the pursuit of the power they need to bring about their vision in the long run. Trump has wreaked the media power base and to the leftist diminishing their power is the greatest evil. They can be cozy with the lesser evils such as the CIA or neo cons because they are not threatening to make the mainstream media irrelevant. In their minds only a madman would threaten the legitimate and dutifully earned power of the press.
        We hunt the hunters

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        • #5
          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

          Merkel doesn't get him because she's a Progressive Leftist.
          Really?

          As leader of the centre right CDU that's a bit of a surprise.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
            The people who see themselves as children of the enlightenment, as members of the intellectual elite, can never admit when they are wrong. Their claim to being the legitimate holder of power is based not on demonstrated competency but on self congratulatory intellectual virtue. They can barely admit they were wrong about the Soviet Union and Cuba let alone Trump.

            The people at the NYT have worked directly with the CIA. You could ask that surely the CIA is not a hotbed of progressives. It also seems that the NYT preferred neo con fascist such as the Bush administration to Trump. Again you have to ask how could supposed leftist even tentatively support fascists. The answer is that most ideologically possessed people believe that any compromise is acceptable in the pursuit of the power they need to bring about their vision in the long run. Trump has wreaked the media power base and to the leftist diminishing their power is the greatest evil. They can be cozy with the lesser evils such as the CIA or neo cons because they are not threatening to make the mainstream media irrelevant. In their minds only a madman would threaten the legitimate and dutifully earned power of the press.
            You have some strange perceptions.
            Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Aber View Post
              Really?

              As leader of the centre right CDU that's a bit of a surprise.
              The European definition of right and left is not compatible with US standards.

              By our outlook Merkel is a hard leftist.
              Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                The European definition of right and left is not compatible with US standards.

                By our outlook Merkel is a hard leftist.
                The only significant party to the right of the CDU is AfD who got c13% of the vote.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altern...y_and_policies
                Last edited by Aber; 29 Dec 17, 03:57.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Aber View Post
                  The only significant party to the right of the CDU is AfD who got c13% of the vote.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altern...y_and_policies
                  Doesn't change the fact she is a leftist by US standards.
                  Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                    What I see is Trump has a very clear idea where he wants foreign policy to go,

                    ...Sure, he's a bit of a raving loon on Twitter, but who cares?
                    So, in public a loon, but in private laser-focused? Seems a bit of a miracle.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                      Doesn't change the fact she is a leftist by US standards.
                      Well at least she looks after Germany and in turn the rest of Europe, even the stupid Britexes and hasnt run the deficict into trillions of dollars like you guys
                      but I guess the US will solve its deficict problem by just printing more money.

                      In REAL LIFE the US dollar should be worth about .45 cents.....

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Aber View Post
                        Really?

                        As leader of the centre right CDU that's a bit of a surprise.
                        Europe's "Center Right" is the US Left...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Bow View Post
                          Well at least she looks after Germany and in turn the rest of Europe, even the stupid Britexes and hasnt run the deficict into trillions of dollars like you guys
                          but I guess the US will solve its deficict problem by just printing more money.

                          In REAL LIFE the US dollar should be worth about .45 cents.....
                          Oh, like the Canadian dollar...? But, that was Obama who ran up the big credit card bill. We'll see how Trump does on that score in a couple of years...

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                          • #14
                            Not "clueless"...just powered by TDS.
                            Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bow View Post
                              Well at least she looks after Germany and in turn the rest of Europe, even the stupid Britexes and hasnt run the deficict into trillions of dollars like you guys
                              but I guess the US will solve its deficict problem by just printing more money.

                              In REAL LIFE the US dollar should be worth about .45 cents.....
                              Which comes from trying to create a "socialist paradise" like Canadians/Europeans have.

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