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  • #16
    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Maybe they could trot out precedent and cite the 1894 general strike in Chicago...
    How would one shut down the trade that one wants to end without negatively impacting the trades the we all consider desirable, especially since they all utilize the same routes, and often serve the same end-users?
    I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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    • #17
      Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
      How would one shut down the trade that one wants to end without negatively impacting the trades the we all consider desirable, especially since they all utilize the same routes, and often serve the same end-users?
      It's Chicago! All the dirty politicians there need to do some underhanded and evil thing is a flimsy excuse, isn't it?

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      • #18
        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
        It's Chicago! All the dirty politicians there need to do some underhanded and evil thing is a flimsy excuse, isn't it?
        Politicians are animals, and as animals, their behavior is entirely predictable, to whit:

        1) you have to figure that they're on the take, so they won't be too eager to attack their most lucrative source of under-the-table funding;

        2) a real "war on drugs" will incur a great deal of collateral damage. A thing like that won't go over too well at the polls. The only way that Chicago's city fathers will go after the gangs is when the violence is so bad that there arises a political critical mass that will overcome any objections to a really intense prosecution of such a war. Otherwise, the politicians will continue with their pathetic gestures, like the Cook Co commissioner approaching the UN for a peacekeeping mission: he asked for a solution that he can't have, so that there can be no war against gangs that incurs collateral damage, while at the same time he ca say to the voters that he tried to "do something."
        I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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        • #19
          Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
          I couldn't agree more -- but then again, stranger things have happened.



          Chicago's political class and her police dept are certainly high in the running for worst in the country, no doubt about it, but they're not the cause of Chicago's present troubles, merely another symptom.
          Thanks. Iím no expert on Chicago. Curious of your take on atricles such as these
          http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...-growing-crime

          The quality of Chicagoís policing has been deteriorating for decades. Back in 1991, 67 percent of murderers were arrested. When Mayor Richard M. Daley finally left office 20 years later, in 2011, the arrest rate was down to 30 percent. This troubling drop only continued after Rahm Emanuel became mayor, hitting a new low of 20 percent in 2016.
          .....
          Chicagoís problems are a result of putting politics ahead of sensible policing for decades. For example, after becoming mayor, Emanuel did three unfortunate things to the Chicago police force:
          1) Emanuel closed down detective bureaus in Chicagoís highest-crime districts, relocating them to often distant locations.
          2) The mayor disbanded many gang task forces.
          3) In cooperation with the ACLU, Emanuel instituted new, voluminous forms that have to be filled out by police each time they stop someone to investigate a crime. All this time wasted filling out forms is time that canít be spent policing neighborhoods.

          Nationally, in 2015, 61.5 percent of murders resulted in an arrest ó almost two out of every three. And unlike Chicagoís arrest rate, the national rate has been fairly constant over the decades.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Work_permit View Post
            Thanks. Iím no expert on Chicago. Curious of your take on atricles such as these
            http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...-growing-crime[/IMG]
            It is a policy used in many places over the years.

            There is a basic law of police work: that which works, also annoys.

            So a new mayor comes in, and he has the political appointee police chief enact policies. You cut down on investigation, less police presence in trouble areas. You disband the aggressive units with proven impact on the problems (narc, gang, anti-crime) and you get less police presence in trouble areas. You punish officers with extra paperwork for getting involved, and the officers will carefully not see anything, creating less police presence in trouble areas.

            The mayor is a hero and a man of the people.

            Eventually the poorer areas turn into war zones, and then the mayor figures to get a second round of applause by ordering the Chief to restore all these programs.

            The trouble is, especially in this case, the last of opportunity and City Hall's obvious indifference has led to the most aggressive, best trained, and thoroughly experienced officers to be hired away by better-run cities. Or retire.

            So your investigators and special units will have to learn skills without experienced leadership, and first-line supervisors will have to push patrol officers to start taking a more proactive role.

            Except that you're trying to break the habits of years, and every officer is aware that City Hall stabbed them in the back X years ago, so there isn't strong internal support for the shift.

            CPD has had a vicious cycle of this sort of treatment over the years. It isn't their only problem, but it certainly ensures that efficiency is well below par.
            Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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