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  • #31
    The Palestinians and their allies are the enemies of the US and the West, Israel is not the enemy of the US and the West .

    That's all we need to know .

    That and what the enemies of Israel, US, the West and the Jews ,want .

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    • #32
      https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-of-jerusalem

      US outnumbered 14 to 1 as it vetoes UN vote on status of Jerusalem
      That does not seem to have worked very well
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      • #33
        Originally posted by History fan View Post
        You are mistaking the right of existence and expansion. To separate issues.
        The problem was not so much what Trump said but what left unsaid. Yes itís Israelís Capital but itís also the Palestinians Capital too. If he had said that then he could possibly have kick started the peace process again and the 2 State Solution. Instead he chose a side and angered the other and now the US can no longer be the independent Arbiter.

        Heís also hugely damaged US allies and furthered extremists in that part of the world.
        Palestine doesn't exist. It will never exist again. Jerusalem is also the Capital of the Kingdom of Jerusalem, the ancient state of Judea and various Roman and Byzantine provinces.

        So what. Palestine is as dead as the Austro-Hungarian Empire.


        Move on world.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Legionnaire66 View Post
          Palestine doesn't exist. It will never exist again.
          "Never" is a word best used sparingly in the context of the holy land

          https://www.gotquestions.org/Jerusalem-destroyed.html

          According to Eric Cline, in his book Jerusalem Besieged: From Ancient Canaan to Modern Israel, Jerusalem has been the subject of at least 118 conflicts over the years, beginning with one in 1350 BC between Abdi-Heba, the ruler of Jerusalem, and a people he called the ďHabiru.Ē In his letter to the king of Egypt (one of the Amarna tablets), he asks for help because all of the surrounding country has been captured by the Habiru. This corresponds well with the record found in Joshua 10 and frames the beginning of Israel's control of Jerusalem. Cline states that the city was completely destroyed at least twice, once by the Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar (2 Kings 25:8-10) and again by the Romans under Titus in AD 70. The Mongols destroyed at least a portion of the city around AD 1260, and the Roman emperor Hadrian destroyed it in AD 135. In addition, the city was captured at least 40 times and besieged at least 23 times.
          And yet it's still there...must be something in the water there.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
            Within living memory your nation fought to further the Final Solution. We have learned to deal with a lot of disagreeable people.

            And no, they don't get billions in handouts, most certainly not from your nation despite it's odious past and definite moral obligation. What we do with our money is our business, and nasty little ex-Nazi minions can go spit.

            Several studies have shown that the US has gotten more real value from Israeli R&D and ABR (not to mention intelligence) than we have provided in aid. Both the M-1 Abrams and the Predator drone system owe a huge about to Israeli data.
            So what? As if US hasn't wiped several nations from existence. You claim to be native American yet it hasn't stopped you from serving people who did same to native Americans as Nazis did to Jews.

            Where have i claimed that they get handouts from Finland. It should have been obvious that handouts i referred are from US especially given that i said dollars. But given that you are cop it is not surprising that you missed obvious. Probably got distracted by donuts.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by JML View Post
              So what? As if US hasn't wiped several nations from existence. You claim to be native American yet it hasn't stopped you from serving people who did same to native Americans as Nazis did to Jews.

              Where have i claimed that they get handouts from Finland. It should have been obvious that handouts i referred are from US especially given that i said dollars. But given that you are cop it is not surprising that you missed obvious. Probably got distracted by donuts.
              You're outta your mind.

              I don't see any jewish tax free casinos in Germany and Poland.

              New Years resolution: stop being stupid.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post
                I'm confused.
                The US is being told what to do by other nations, is refusing to do as it is told, and further that it will remember who demanded we do as they say, and you see the US as being the bad guy here?

                I think you are looking at this backwards.
                Okay, you just gave me a bad case of vertigo. I personally think that the whole move the embassy to Jerusalem is nothing more than ridiculous political theater for the benefit of country that owes the USA far more than it can ever hope to repay. I am also convinced that it will probably raise the terrorist threat at home and in Israel. With that being said I honestly do not see what makes these other countries think that they can dictate where the American embassy should be located provided that the Israelis have no problem with the requested location. All in all this is mainly political kabuki theater.
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Legionnaire66 View Post
                  I don't see any jewish tax free casinos in Germany and Poland.
                  Actually, the jews have their nails quite well entrenched in the European casino business. Given that yous have banned online casinos you've missed the last few years of progress on the field; most gaming is done online these days. Okay, so it's not exactly tax free, but close enough(otherwise I wouldn't get paid as much as I do).

                  Actually I think most of them are in the affiliate business, operating from Cyprus. EU laws and all that.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Legionnaire66 View Post
                    You're outta your mind.

                    I don't see any jewish tax free casinos in Germany and Poland.

                    New Years resolution: stop being stupid.
                    Good luck with your resolution
                    "Religion can never reform mankind because religion is slavery"
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                    • #40
                      "made in China" = cheap

                      Originally posted by Anthrax View Post
                      Ah, the ever small minds of Conservatives.

                      Tell me children, do you really think the United States can go it alone in the world? Do you really think we don't need trade partners?

                      United states security and economy depends on our relationships with the world.
                      HmmmmI wonder what those countries whose economies depend on how much crap that they can foist on the American public would do if the US just decided that those items are either not needed or could be made right at home? I submit that those trade partners need the US much more than the US needs them.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Jose50 View Post
                        HmmmmI wonder what those countries whose economies depend on how much crap that they can foist on the American public would do if the US just decided that those items are either not needed or could be made right at home? I submit that those trade partners need the US much more than the US needs them.


                        Sure, like americans suddenly find the hidden joys of producing jeans, gadgets and whatnot for dollar a day. Good luck with that!
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by JML View Post
                          So what? As if US hasn't wiped several nations from existence. You claim to be native American yet it hasn't stopped you from serving people who did same to native Americans as Nazis did to Jews.

                          Where have i claimed that they get handouts from Finland. It should have been obvious that handouts i referred are from US especially given that i said dollars. But given that you are cop it is not surprising that you missed obvious. Probably got distracted by donuts.
                          Yes, the US was brutal to indians.
                          First, can you identify those nations in existence that did not achieve their present borders by war or conquest?
                          I know you will avoid that question, but the answer is probably none.
                          Second, I'm pretty sure that we did not have gas chambers or mass executions of indian peoples.
                          Yes, we were brutal to them and they were brutal to us and to each other. It wasn't like the Indians were all living in peace with each other at any time before the US came along, and even after.
                          Third, How far back are we allowed to go when determining moral high ground?
                          Given that you appear to be from Finland can we presently dismiss all Finland's actions because they fought as allies to the very Nazis you accuse the US of emulating? That is much more recent history than our treatment of the indians 125+ years ago.

                          Fourth, What actual nations did the US wipe out?
                          Or are you referring to our actions towards the indians in another manner in an effort to make it look like something else?

                          How many nations did we conquer then help reestablish?
                          Japan and Germany seem to be doing quite well these days.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by History fan View Post
                            You are mistaking the right of existence and expansion. To separate issues.
                            The problem was not so much what Trump said but what left unsaid. Yes itís Israelís Capital but itís also the Palestinians Capital too.
                            So, if that's true why then it's a win-win for the US. We could have one embassy in Jerusalem and we wouldn't have to build a separate one to deal with the Palestinian state. Problem Solved!!
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Gixxer86g View Post
                              If all you have is insults, then you've got nothing. Par for the course, though.

                              We aren't going to be alone, our relationships aren't going to change. Our allies will continue being our allies, our trading partnerships will continue, our security partnerships will continue. And those that hate us will continue to hate us.

                              Little good comes out of the UN, and this is more of the same. They bite the hand that feeds, and we should have stopped feeding that monster a long time ago.
                              Ever notice that lefties always hammer on the Jews?
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Bass_Man86 View Post
                                Okay, you just gave me a bad case of vertigo. I personally think that the whole move the embassy to Jerusalem is nothing more than ridiculous political theater for the benefit of country that owes the USA far more than it can ever hope to repay. I am also convinced that it will probably raise the terrorist threat at home and in Israel. With that being said I honestly do not see what makes these other countries think that they can dictate where the American embassy should be located provided that the Israelis have no problem with the requested location. All in all this is mainly political kabuki theater.


                                I agree completely that it is kabuki theater.
                                But so was keeping our embassy in Tel Aviv.

                                We shouldn't have our decisions dictated by the threats of people who hate us already.
                                It isn't as if the various terror groups in the mid east (and I include Hamas) were going to be nice to us if we didn't do this.

                                I could be wrong, but I don't think it will raise the terror threat level here simply because the people who would attack us for this would attack us for any level of support for Israel.
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