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  • Its the economy, Stupid!

    As someone wise in the Bill Clinton campaign in 1992 once said, Its the economy, stupid. So it still remains true. People always vote pocketbook.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/18/econ...bc-survey.html

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    Yep, with the end of a Progressive Leftist "more regulation, more taxes" attitude gone and an administration wanting prune regulations with a chain saw and reduce taxes the economy is finally picking up steam and people are noticing it.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
      Yep, with the end of a Progressive Leftist "more regulation, more taxes" attitude gone and an administration wanting prune regulations with a chain saw and reduce taxes the economy is finally picking up steam and people are noticing it.
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      Indeed What is really great after all these years is people really did want jobs and didn't want to just get by on Government assistance. Though there are still plenty of them around. Go Economy go!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
        Yep, with the end of a Progressive Leftist "more regulation, more taxes" attitude gone and an administration wanting prune regulations with a chain saw and reduce taxes the economy is finally picking up steam and people are noticing it.
        And yet the same buildings and shops remain empty and the same people remain in the same low-paying jobs. Hard to be seen as "picking up steam" when prices keep climbing and wages remain stagnant, or in the case of older people and retirees, actually dropping in value.

        It takes a lot more than political rhetoric to better the lives of American people.
        Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
          And yet the same buildings and shops remain empty and the same people remain in the same low-paying jobs. Hard to be seen as "picking up steam" when prices keep climbing and wages remain stagnant, or in the case of older people and retirees, actually dropping in value.

          It takes a lot more than political rhetoric to better the lives of American people.
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          The worm has turned in my home town, Mountain Man. There is building all over town, after crashing dead in 2008 and being flat lined for years. Houses and apartments also are going up almost daily here. You would be hard pressed to find a rental open right now which is quite the opposite since 2008.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
            And yet the same buildings and shops remain empty and the same people remain in the same low-paying jobs. Hard to be seen as "picking up steam" when prices keep climbing and wages remain stagnant, or in the case of older people and retirees, actually dropping in value.

            It takes a lot more than political rhetoric to better the lives of American people.
            It seems our only choices are crony capitalism or cultural Marxism. Small businesses are the answer. Those old town squares and main streets. If those could be revived so could the economy. It amazes me that economists and those “in charge” can’t see that.
            “I do not wish to have the slave emancipated because I love him, but because I hate his master."
            --Salmon P. Chase

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mystikeye View Post
              As someone wise in the Bill Clinton campaign in 1992 once said, Its the economy, stupid. So it still remains true. People always vote pocketbook.
              https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/18/econ...bc-survey.html
              James Carville came up with that.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Savez View Post
                It seems our only choices are crony capitalism or cultural Marxism. Small businesses are the answer. Those old town squares and main streets. If those could be revived so could the economy. It amazes me that economists and those “in charge” can’t see that.
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                Very difficult for small business to compete with the Internet's ability to get anything you want and delivered to your home. While deal with the price of gas and people, parking etc etc. My state (ca) is incredibly hostile to small business of any sort and it is very difficult to make money other than service, plumbing, electrical etc. Retail, forget about it.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by phil74501 View Post
                  James Carville came up with that.
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                  damn I just threw up my coffee. Ugh I quoted a james Carville line.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mystikeye View Post
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                    Very difficult for small business to compete with the Internet's ability to get anything you want and delivered to your home. While deal with the price of gas and people, parking etc etc. My state (ca) is incredibly hostile to small business of any sort and it is very difficult to make money other than service, plumbing, electrical etc. Retail, forget about it.
                    Unless you are a coffee shop... Millenials have to have that lukewarm mocha latte pumpkin spice with a swirled heart on top or they'll just die...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mystikeye View Post
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                      Very difficult for small business to compete with the Internet's ability to get anything you want and delivered to your home. While deal with the price of gas and people, parking etc etc. My state (ca) is incredibly hostile to small business of any sort and it is very difficult to make money other than service, plumbing, electrical etc. Retail, forget about it.
                      Small businesses can use the Internet as well as anyone. California is incredibly hostile to anything that isn’t socialism. Look at places like Fairhope, Alabama and Franklin, Tennessee where they are reviving the downtown. Instead of tearing down historical monuments, in Franklin, they are tearing down houses to restore Civil War battlefields. Its preservation, not progress that this great nation needs.
                      “I do not wish to have the slave emancipated because I love him, but because I hate his master."
                      --Salmon P. Chase

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Savez View Post
                        Small businesses can use the Internet as well as anyone. California is incredibly hostile to anything that isn’t socialism. Look at places like Fairhope, Alabama and Franklin, Tennessee where they are reviving the downtown. Instead of tearing down historical monuments, in Franklin, they are tearing down houses to restore Civil War battlefields. Its preservation, not progress that this great nation needs.
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                        Good Points Savez, and I agree with you. I am a bit jaded because of my own experience with a small business in Cali and just assume its everywhere across the US when in fact its not. Unfortunetely my home town has destroyed its old downtown and buildings and we are paying the price with expansion of nothing but box stores over good ag land.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mystikeye View Post
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                          Good Points Savez, and I agree with you. I am a bit jaded because of my own experience with a small business in Cali and just assume its everywhere across the US when in fact its not. Unfortunetely my home town has destroyed its old downtown and buildings and we are paying the price with expansion of nothing but box stores over good ag land.
                          I believe agriculture is another factor. Small scale farming and farmer’s markets are also key in my opinion. In Alabama the plan seems to be bring in big overseas businesses to create jobs. While that may be all well and good, I don’t think its an answer to economic woes. Economic growth and progress is a two edge sword. Some people equate success with giant urban sprawl like Atlanta but I would hate it if Birmingham was that big. Subdivisions and as you said box stores are not my idea of a good thing.
                          “I do not wish to have the slave emancipated because I love him, but because I hate his master."
                          --Salmon P. Chase

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mystikeye View Post
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                            The worm has turned in my home town, Mountain Man. There is building all over town, after crashing dead in 2008 and being flat lined for years. Houses and apartments also are going up almost daily here. You would be hard pressed to find a rental open right now which is quite the opposite since 2008.
                            Hasn't done so in the rural parts of Colorado, which make up about 90% of the state. Haven;t seen a decent COLA for either Social Security or military retired in longer than I can remember. I'm officially below the poverty line.
                            Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              Hasn't done so in the rural parts of Colorado, which make up about 90% of the state. Haven;t seen a decent COLA for either Social Security or military retired in longer than I can remember. I'm officially below the poverty line.
                              SBDC is the answer. Come up with something innovative and sell it. Poverty is a state of mind. https://www.coloradosbdc.org/
                              Credo quia absurdum.


                              Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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