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  • Originally posted by Tsar View Post
    Almost assuredly more than you.
    Really? How so? Since you have no idea of my experience or training, your comment is ludicrous.

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    • Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
      Fake News

      I would hope everyone will resist illegal use of their power. Unfortunately Obama's administration is full of examples where the bureaucrats didn't.
      How is it 'fake news' when the conference the general was attending which showed the question and answer was televised.

      Anything you and the other Trumpers don't like you mark as 'fake news'-just like Trump himself.

      Nothing but bags of bull.

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      • Originally posted by Massena View Post
        Really? How so? Since you have no idea of my experience or training, your comment is ludicrous.

        Just as you have none of mine. So tell me what you know about nuclear weapons?
        Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedy. -- Ernest Benn

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        • Found this NSFW gem just today -



          The top US nuclear commander has said that if President Trump ordered a nuclear attack that he disagreed with he would refuse.
          Air Force General John Hyten on Saturday told an audience at the Halifax International Security Forum in Nova Scotia that he's thought a lot about what he will do if Trump orders a strike he considers illegal.
          'I think some people think we're stupid,' Hyten said, responding to a question about the scenario, according to CBS News. He is the commander of the US Strategic Command, or STRATCOM.
          'We're not stupid people. We think about these things a lot. When you have this responsibility, how do you not think about it?'
          Hyten said though that if the 'illegal' command did come, they would go through a process to find a better solution.
          I'm not being insensitive here: I know picking on the US Air Farce, always an honorable alternative to military service, is like kicking the retarded kids. (But it feels so right!) So maybe those of you with influence in that organization could ask your leaders managers to stop bending over with big red and white targets on their asses, and "Kick Me" signs on their yellow-striped backs.
          In the meantime, having indicated your tendency and intention to mutiny on impetus of personal whimsy, particularly in the control or use of nuclear weapons, the holy grail of why you even have a job, your statements should be a clear call for the General of the Air Force, Secretary of the Air Force, and Secretary of Defense to relieve you from your post immediately under both common sense, and the long-standing guidelines of the Personal Reliability Program governing nuclear weapons going back decades and decades (maybe you've heard of them?), and also institute immediate investigation in support of accelerated general court-martial proceedings for your flagrant and public violations of Articles 88, 92, 98, 104, 133, and 134 of the Uniform Code Of Military Justice.
          (That means your next thirty or so years of federal service will be in command of a mop at Leavenworth Military Correctional Facility, you jet-fuel genius. If the USAF can manage to get your skill assessment right with one more bite at that apple. Seeing how your retarded sisters at the sister service have handled similar black-letter law violations of the UCMJ by communist 2LT Spenser Rapone, USA, I give the USAF 30/70 odds on that, but they deserve at least the bare chance to try.)

          As it is, the DoD barring the award of any future contracts to any company that would hire you (including Uber or the Home Depot) after your early retirement should make your next job, greeting guests and opening the front door at a major hotel, a shoe-in, as befitting your previous level of experience and aptitude.


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          "Why is the Rum gone?"

          -Captain Jack

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          • Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
            Author of that blog is an idiot. Look at this gem:

            But if President Trump issues an order to nuke North Korea to SecDef Mattis, who relays it to you directly or through subordinate commands, it is, by law and definition, a "legal order". Period. Full stop.
            No just because an order is issue through the chain of command does not make it a legal order... idiot
            “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
            “To talk of many things:
            Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
            Of cabbages—and kings—
            And why the sea is boiling hot—
            And whether pigs have wings.”
            ― Lewis Carroll

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            • Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
              No just because an order is issue through the chain of command does not make it a legal order... idiot
              Absolutely correct.

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              • One key thing to remember is that if a service member decides not to obey an order because they think it is not a lawful order the onus is on them to prove it is unlawful IF they are later charged under UCMJ. The military does NOT have to prove it was lawful.

                From the Manual of Courts-Martial page IV-20.

                http://jsc.defense.gov/Portals/99/Do...-08-181411-957



                (2) Disobeying superior commissioned officer.
                (a) Lawfulness of the order.
                (i) Inference of lawfulness. An order requiring
                the performance of a military duty or act may be
                inferred to be lawful and it is disobeyed at the peril
                of the subordinate.
                This inference does not apply to
                a patently illegal order, such as one that directs the
                commission of a crime.

                (ii) Determination of lawfulness. The lawfulness
                of an order is a question of law to be determined
                by the military judge.
                The idiot military Doctor that refused to deploy with his unit to Afghanistan because he did not believe that then President Obama was a citizen and hence President discovered that at his Court Martial.
                “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                “To talk of many things:
                Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                Of cabbages—and kings—
                And why the sea is boiling hot—
                And whether pigs have wings.”
                ― Lewis Carroll

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                • Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
                  Oh, that's just awesome!
                  The First Amendment applies to SMS, Emails, Blogs, online news, the Fourth applies to your cell phone, computer, and your car, but the Second only applies to muskets?

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                  • His knowledge is a charade.

                    Originally posted by Tsar View Post
                    Just as you have none of mine. So tell me what you know about nuclear weapons?
                    My worst jump story:
                    My 13th jump was on the 13th day of the month, aircraft number 013.
                    As recorded on my DA Form 1307 Individual Jump Log.
                    No lie.

                    ~
                    "Everything looks all right. Have a good jump, eh."
                    -2 Commando Jumpmaster

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                    • Originally posted by Hida Akechi View Post
                      Oh, that's just awesome!
                      Yeah sweary words are awesome......

                      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Keenan


                      Good to know who the paid up members of the thought police are.....

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