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  • #31
    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
    Locking the barn and all, but that's already underway at numerous churches in my area.

    America is going to have to re-evaluate crowd points and foot traffic in the future. With muslim terrorists employing dispersed attacks we shall have to look at things differently.

    Sporting events need to have their security plans re-evaluated.
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    • #32
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
        Has a military background, lived in an adjoining county. The Feds are focusing on whether he was 'radicalized'.
        The guy had a dishonorable discharge from the USAF. That should tell you something about his suitability. He shouldn't have been able to buy or possess a weapon having a felony record. A DD is almost 100% certain to have involved a felony charge.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
          Has a military background, lived in an adjoining county. The Feds are focusing on whether he was 'radicalized'.
          He was radicalized alright.

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          On October 29, Kelley posted a photo of what looked like an AR-15 gun with the caption: “She’s a bad b**ch.” He reportedly used the photo of the gun as his cover photo. The shooting took place exactly one week later.
          Police say a 26-year-old Texas man who once taught Bible study
          If he was it's a strange kind of radicalization.
          “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
          “To talk of many things:
          Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
          Of cabbages—and kings—
          And why the sea is boiling hot—
          And whether pigs have wings.”
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Surrey View Post
            Reports of a mass shooting at a church in Texas. Multiple casualties reported.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
              Locking the barn and all, but that's already underway at numerous churches in my area.

              America is going to have to re-evaluate crowd points and foot traffic in the future. With muslim terrorists employing dispersed attacks we shall have to look at things differently.

              Sporting events need to have their security plans re-evaluated.
              Smaller churches would have a hard time fiscally with massive restructuring but I think a lot can also be done with active security. This stain was stopped the moment somebody else put a firearm into play and armed security has shown in the past that church shooters can be controlled by local security. Just having somebody keeping watch, trainee and able to respond the moment something bad happens does wonders. And since churches have rush traffic at the beginning and end instead of steady flow, a gunman looking to ambush during worship will stand out.

              But yeah modern construction for foot traffic makes me antsy in this day and age. With churches they basically need to flip flop the modern style. And we as a society need to be more keen on confronting the issue hard instead of ducking it. I always get annoyed when I hear "but our society shouldn't be like this" or "we can't give in to fear" in response to proposals for security or drill.
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              • #37
                As I understand it he has a dishonorable discharge from the Air Force, yet his social media says, "I live by the core values on which the Air Force goes by."
                I wouldn't be surprised if he has mental health issues.
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                • #38
                  I wonder if he was on anti-depressant drugs.



                  On to the list of mass shooters and the stark link to psychotropic drugs.

                  • Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.
                  • Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.
                  • Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.
                  • Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.
                  • Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.
                  • Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.
                  • Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.
                  • Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.
                  • A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.
                  • Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..
                  • A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.
                  • Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.
                  • TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.
                  • Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.
                  • James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.
                  • Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania
                  • Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California
                  • Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.
                  • Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.
                  • Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic's file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.
                  • Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.
                  • Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.
                  • Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.
                  • Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.
                  • Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family's Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.
                  • Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara's parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn't take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”)
                  • Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
                  • (Gareth's father could not accept his son's death and killed himself.)
                  • Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family's detached garage.
                  • Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.
                  • Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.
                  • Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.
                  • A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.
                  • Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”
                  • Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.
                  • Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.
                  • Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
                  • Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.
                  • Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his New York high school.

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                  • #39
                    It's only going to get worse, much worse, as Satan continues to poison the brains of the weak to do his evil bidding.

                    All the gun, knife, explosive, rental truck, acid, pipes, hammers, fist, control in the world, being called for by Progressives worldwide and Democrats in the US, is going to do nothing but disarm the law abiding. This can only be stopped by finding those brain damaged individuals before they have a chance to put their evil plans into action. And that becomes the problem. How much of our freedom are we willing to give up for that false sense of security?

                    About the only protection we have now is to avoid those places where large crowds have gathered. Especially, those places that have declared themselves Gun Free Zones. Those have become prime targets for terrorism of all types.

                    In this case, it appears to have been ended when an armed law abiding citizen showed up to put a stop to this madness before law enforcement could get there. https://news.grabien.com/story-texas...-killer-ending
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                      The guy had a dishonorable discharge from the USAF. That should tell you something about his suitability. He shouldn't have been able to buy or possess a weapon having a felony record. A DD is almost 100% certain to have involved a felony charge.
                      UCMJ charges seldom show up on NCIC, and getting records of the trials is not easy, so prosecution for a felon in possession of a firearm is extremely hard to do under such circumstances.
                      Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
                        I wonder if he was on anti-depressant drugs.



                        On to the list of mass shooters and the stark link to psychotropic drugs.

                        • Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.
                        • Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.
                        • Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.
                        • Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.
                        • Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.
                        • Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.
                        • Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.
                        • Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.
                        • A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.
                        • Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..
                        • A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.
                        • Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.
                        • TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.
                        • Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.
                        • James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.
                        • Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania
                        • Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California
                        • Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.
                        • Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.
                        • Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic's file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.
                        • Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.
                        • Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.
                        • Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.
                        • Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.
                        • Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family's Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.
                        • Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara's parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn't take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”)
                        • Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
                        • (Gareth's father could not accept his son's death and killed himself.)
                        • Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family's detached garage.
                        • Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.
                        • Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.
                        • Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.
                        • A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.
                        • Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”
                        • Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.
                        • Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.
                        • Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
                        • Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.
                        • Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his New York high school.

                        Do you think Bruce Springsteen will have a concert for "Mental Health Awareness?"

                        This is a good chance for Republicans to tackle a major source of murder and an issue that is important in its own right.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by American87 View Post
                          Do you think Bruce Springsteen will have a concert for "Mental Health Awareness?"

                          This is a good chance for Republicans to tackle a major source of murder and an issue that is important in its own right.
                          But that would require spending money and expanding the state/federal government to provide better oversight.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by American87 View Post
                            Do you think Bruce Springsteen will have a concert for "Mental Health Awareness?"

                            This is a good chance for Republicans to tackle a major source of murder and an issue that is important in its own right.
                            Tackle it how? There isn't a solution to the problem.

                            They did away with nearly all the public mental health institutions in the 60s and 70s because the liberals screamed bloody murder over the conditions (which were bad), but they did not provide any alternative.

                            There's aren't enough shrinks to treat even a fraction of the mentally ill, so the only option available is to prescribe them and pray they take the meds and that the meds work.

                            It takes six+ years to train a shrink, and more time for them to get any good. And their track record isn't 100%.

                            You can't incarcerate people just because they are mentally ill, and even if it were there are no beds; it is almost impossible to house those whom the courts have designated as criminally insane, and said housing is simply temporary.

                            In a nutshell, there is neither the legal power nor the infrastructure available to impact the mental health issue even if both parties were in perfect accord and there was a massive amount of public support.
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                              But that would require spending money and expanding the state/federal government to provide better oversight.
                              Neither would help. There is no legal framework for government intrusion into peoples' lives on that scale.

                              In fact, there is ample case law specifically prohibiting government intrusion in mental health cases.
                              Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                                Tackle it how? There isn't a solution to the problem.

                                They did away with nearly all the public mental health institutions in the 60s and 70s because the liberals screamed bloody murder over the conditions (which were bad), but they did not provide any alternative.

                                There's aren't enough shrinks to treat even a fraction of the mentally ill, so the only option available is to prescribe them and pray they take the meds and that the meds work.

                                It takes six+ years to train a shrink, and more time for them to get any good. And their track record isn't 100%.

                                You can't incarcerate people just because they are mentally ill, and even if it were there are no beds; it is almost impossible to house those whom the courts have designated as criminally insane, and said housing is simply temporary.

                                In a nutshell, there is neither the legal power nor the infrastructure available to impact the mental health issue even if both parties were in perfect accord and there was a massive amount of public support.
                                You do not member history...

                                Your forgot Reagan' s policies regarding mental institutions, including when he was California's governor. You see mental health is expensive...
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