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  • AdrianE
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    Canada legalized marijuana last October. Now the biggest drug dealers are the provincial governments.
    For example https://ocs.ca is the Ontario government's on line marijuana retail store. They take visa, mastercard and American Express.

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  • Freebird
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

    If alcohol and tobacco had been "invented" last year, yes. As it is both have been in society so long it would be difficult to do that. Prohibition kind of shows what happens when you take away something legal that is widely available. Guns in the US would be another example.
    Why not?
    All gun owners could be registered, and then shamed or fired from their jobs.
    Gun violence would end quickly.

    Pot wasn't just "invented" either, and both alcohol & tobacco are far more harmful (in terms of cancer and deaths)
    Prohibition is what the Federal government has now, on substances that were formerly legal. (Pot and cocaine)

    If it makes sense for a young man to have a lifetime of legal trouble for smoking a joint, then maybe that should apply to beer & cigarettes too.
    (The stupidity would end in about a week)

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by Freebird View Post

    And this would also apply to the recreational drugs already legal correct?
    So people abusing nicotine (tobacco) or beer (alcohol) could be shamed or fired?
    Abusers drinking alcohol (sacramental wine) could be shamed and fired from their job?

    +1
    If alcohol and tobacco had been "invented" last year, yes. As it is both have been in society so long it would be difficult to do that. Prohibition kind of shows what happens when you take away something legal that is widely available. Guns in the US would be another example.

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  • Freebird
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    There are some drugs that simply are too dangerous to make legal. For most of the "recreational" ones I would recommend the following for legalizing them:

    Manufacturers and distributers have to be licensed. Product quality has to be equal to veterinary grade or better. We want to keep the price down for abusers. Sale of all these drugs can only be done by a licensed vendor to a licensed abuser. Anyone caught selling any of the drugs allowed under this program are subject to 10 + year jail terms depending on quantity. So, for the smallest quantities, like say a single use, you get 10 years or more. This encourages staying within the program.

    For people wanting to use these drugs, they have to obtain an "Abuse license." The license is good for the drugs they want to abuse only. The cost of the license is minimal, and for the indigent could be free.
    All information on the license is public record and available for anyone to access. It can be used to deny employment or terminate an employee for cause. That is, possession of such a license can be used to deny you a job or get you fired if you already have one.
    And this would also apply to the recreational drugs already legal correct?
    So people abusing nicotine (tobacco) or beer (alcohol) could be shamed or fired?
    Abusers drinking alcohol (sacramental wine) could be shamed and fired from their job?


    Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
    No government should have the authority to dictate what any competent adult puts into their body. Individual rights are the corner stone of our civilization. The government's authority only extends to protecting the public from actions of individuals not protecting individuals from themselves.

    The war on drugs is as tragic a failure as prohibition. It has created a corrupting prison industry, turned our cities into war zones, corrupted law enforcement, destabilized governments, wasted billions of dollars, and the drug use problem persists.
    +1

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

    That doesn't mean it could be cheap. Right now, the price is predicated on scarceness and its quasi-legal status.
    Legal marijuana is not "scarce" in Colorado. You can grow it in your living room with very little effort. Every city and town has at least one shop, most like Pueblo, Denver, Colorado Springs and so forth have several to many. The price is controlled by the sellers, who control the amount of product they make available at any given time. It's just like Big Oil and the price of gasoline - a gouge. Average price around here - $240 and UP per ounce. That's why so many dealers and growers are springing up, and why Colorado now has a major black market problem involving illegal growers and the Mexican cartels.

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

    "Buy for cheap? Have you seen what the rates are for legalized marijuana? Nothing "cheap" about it, and no reason to expect any other legalized drugs to be cheap, either.
    That doesn't mean it could be cheap. Right now, the price is predicated on scarceness and its quasi-legal status.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by Elenashal View Post
    The medical issue is still open. people who suffer
    CBD is linked with this receptor but remember; it doesn’t interact directly with either receptor. It acts to inhibit the enzyme that activates the receptors which is one of the reasons why CBD doesn’t get you high. https://www.marijuanabreak.com/cbd/plus-cbd-oil

    Indeed, CBD also inhibits THC’s interaction with the receptors which means it reduces THC’ psychoactive effects. In other words, CBD not only doesn’t get you high, but it also counteracts the psychoactive effects of THC and prevents you from getting high.
    CBD is not marijuana, which has THC - a psycho-active drug - as the active ingredient. You might as well compare aspirin to cocaine. You're comparing two entirely different things, one of which has nothing to do with the issue of legalizing drugs.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    There are some drugs that simply are too dangerous to make legal. For most of the "recreational" ones I would recommend the following for legalizing them:

    Manufacturers and distributers have to be licensed. Product quality has to be equal to veterinary grade or better. We want to keep the price down for abusers. Sale of all these drugs can only be done by a licensed vendor to a licensed abuser. Anyone caught selling any of the drugs allowed under this program are subject to 10 + year jail terms depending on quantity. So, for the smallest quantities, like say a single use, you get 10 years or more. This encourages staying within the program.

    For people wanting to use these drugs, they have to obtain an "Abuse license." The license is good for the drugs they want to abuse only. The cost of the license is minimal, and for the indigent could be free.
    All information on the license is public record and available for anyone to access. It can be used to deny employment or terminate an employee for cause. That is, possession of such a license can be used to deny you a job or get you fired if you already have one.
    Persons stopped by law enforcement who are on record as having an abuse license are subject to drug testing, etc., as it is presumed you are on the drug(s) listed on your license. That is it's prima facie evidence for a DUI / DWI, and the like.
    It can also be used for health insurance premium costs, etc. That is, having such a license can jack up your rates.
    Once you have your license, you can go to an authorized dealer and buy for cheap whatever drug you are allowed to abuse.
    Getting caught using without a proper abuse license is a serious felony and you will do heavy time for even a first offense. But, being licensed, you can shoot up, smoke, or whatever your favorite drug to your heart's content.

    This way its legal, but there's a heavy public stigma attached to use. Since the drugs are relatively cheap and easy to get there's not much of a black market for them either. This protects the pubic and its interests but allows individuals the freedom to use drugs that could pose a serious addiction problem, or other health issue to the individual.

    So, you want to use cocaine? Great! Get your cocaine abuse license and be a cocaine abuser. The drug is fairly cheap so you can snort or shoot up all day long if you want. Just recognize, it might be difficult for you to get a job, you're likely to be a target for the police, and your neighbors can easily find out you're using...
    "Buy for cheap? Have you seen what the rates are for legalized marijuana? Nothing "cheap" about it, and no reason to expect any other legalized drugs to be cheap, either.

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  • Trung Si
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    I agree, legalise all of them and decrease the bad gene pool!
    Last edited by Trung Si; 03 Mar 19, 15:35.

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  • G David Bock
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    De-criminalize might be a better and more workable approach.

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  • Elenashal
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    The medical issue is still open. people who suffer
    CBD is linked with this receptor but remember; it doesn’t interact directly with either receptor. It acts to inhibit the enzyme that activates the receptors which is one of the reasons why CBD doesn’t get you high. https://www.marijuanabreak.com/cbd/plus-cbd-oil

    Indeed, CBD also inhibits THC’s interaction with the receptors which means it reduces THC’ psychoactive effects. In other words, CBD not only doesn’t get you high, but it also counteracts the psychoactive effects of THC and prevents you from getting high.
    It is now becoming clear that CBD oil offers significant medical health benefits, so brand names such asPlus +CBD Oil are hopping on the bandwagon. Read on to see if Plus +CBD Oil's products make it a contender or a pretender.

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  • Urban hermit
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    Case in point,

    http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/l...180434616.html

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  • Mystikeye
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    Opiod use is legal if taken by Doctors Prescription, Percocet, Norco, oxy good stuff for pain relief. I take em thru prescript or if friends give em to me. Problem is weak minded people get hooked on them and screw up a good thing. Same with other drugs and booze. Its the feeble minded that cause all the problems. The drugs and booze didn't cause their stupidity, they are born that way.

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  • Urban hermit
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    Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
    Oh that really doesn't seem the case viewed from here. prescribed drugs seem to have gotten to dangerous levels in the US and they are legal.

    When I say legalize I'm only thinking of weed/hash. Nothing else.
    I agree, prescription drugs are a big problem, everywhere. Especially here. That is one reason I doubt legalizing drugs is a fix all.

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  • Half Pint John
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    Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
    Legal drugs won’t cause bad behavior or bad decisions, destroyed life’s?
    Oh that really doesn't seem the case viewed from here. prescribed drugs seem to have gotten to dangerous levels in the US and they are legal.

    When I say legalize I'm only thinking of weed/hash. Nothing else.

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