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  • #61
    Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
    How much does that cost go down if SOME drugs are made legal?
    Legal drugs wonít cause bad behavior or bad decisions, destroyed lifeís?
    Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
    Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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    • #62
      Originally posted by andrewza View Post
      Those acts effect others. That is the big difrence.
      How about legalzing suicide? Or opiod use?
      "It is a fine fox chase, my boys"

      "It is well that war is so terrible-we would grow too fond of it"

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Jose50 View Post
        OK - Legalize marijuana. That's it. Do it in a way that everyone benefits. It will happen eventually nationwide so make it pay for everyone. Use the $$$$$ garnered by taxing it to improve everyone's life - whether through public works, the arts, offsetting the hardships of seniors -whatever.
        The other recreational drugs of choice - the coke, crack, opioids, meth, etc. should not be legalized. But neither should they be prosecuted and neither should they be mitigated through last minute saves such as Narcan. If individuals want to use those types of drugs, let them. Darwin did a study on just this thing many years ago. The survival of those persons who choose to imbibe in those particular substances will most likely be limited to those who realize the dangers of them and who stop voluntarily. The rest will be eliminated and the problem will have been dealt with.
        I'm sure that some of you will think, "That's just not right...opioid dependence is a DISEASE and it's just not their fault for getting hooked. Those poor people should be treated!" OK, treat them. Wean them off their 'disease' and hope that they don't relapse. When they do...it's on them.
        It's the purpose of lawmakers to look after the welfare of their people, and that includes criminalizing hard drugs and carrying on anti-drug awareness campaigns that attach a stigma to them. What's next, will you legalize suicide or bring back dueling? Maybe get rid of statutory rape?

        And yeah, spend marijuana tax dollars effectively-on police who will have to clean up the increasing homeless and investigate crime already being committed by drug addicts.
        "It is a fine fox chase, my boys"

        "It is well that war is so terrible-we would grow too fond of it"

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        • #64
          Originally posted by American87 View Post
          How about legalzing suicide? Or opiod use?
          Your live if you want it to end go a head and end it.
          you think you a real "bleep" solders you "bleep" plastic solders don't wory i will make you in to real "bleep" solders!! "bleep" plastic solders

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
            How many bank robberies are carried out by addicts ?
            What is the cost of illegal drugs on society?
            And alcohol is all so addictive ruins lives causes more crime but is fully legal. So it still a invalid point. Unless you want to end alcohol to.
            you think you a real "bleep" solders you "bleep" plastic solders don't wory i will make you in to real "bleep" solders!! "bleep" plastic solders

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            • #66
              Originally posted by American87 View Post
              It's the purpose of lawmakers to look after the welfare of their people, and that includes criminalizing hard drugs and carrying on anti-drug awareness campaigns that attach a stigma to them. What's next, will you legalize suicide or bring back dueling? Maybe get rid of statutory rape?
              There's already a stigma attached to being addicted to hard drugs. Unfortunately, lately the sheer volume of opioid abusers has led to a general concept of such abuse being a 'disease' and not just normal 'abuse'. (try to stay with me here, OK?)
              You don't have to legalize suicide. It's a moot point. Someone commits suicide what are you gonna do - arrest them? Dueling has its proponents as well. It could replace MMA cage fights and Pro Wrestling... a big payday for the sports networks. Also, how did statutory rape find its way into this thread?
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              • #67
                Rape came into it by some strange thought process.
                "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                youíre entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                  Legal drugs wonít cause bad behavior or bad decisions, destroyed lifeís?
                  Oh that really doesn't seem the case viewed from here. prescribed drugs seem to have gotten to dangerous levels in the US and they are legal.

                  When I say legalize I'm only thinking of weed/hash. Nothing else.
                  "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                  Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                  youíre entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                    Oh that really doesn't seem the case viewed from here. prescribed drugs seem to have gotten to dangerous levels in the US and they are legal.

                    When I say legalize I'm only thinking of weed/hash. Nothing else.
                    I agree, prescription drugs are a big problem, everywhere. Especially here. That is one reason I doubt legalizing drugs is a fix all.
                    Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                    Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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                    • #70
                      Opiod use is legal if taken by Doctors Prescription, Percocet, Norco, oxy good stuff for pain relief. I take em thru prescript or if friends give em to me. Problem is weak minded people get hooked on them and screw up a good thing. Same with other drugs and booze. Its the feeble minded that cause all the problems. The drugs and booze didn't cause their stupidity, they are born that way.

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                      • #71
                        Case in point,

                        http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/l...180434616.html
                        Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                        Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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                        • #72
                          The medical issue is still open. people who suffer
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                          • #73
                            De-criminalize might be a better and more workable approach.

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                            • #74
                              I agree, legalise all of them and decrease the bad gene pool!
                              Last edited by Trung Si; 03 Mar 19, 14:35.
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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                                There are some drugs that simply are too dangerous to make legal. For most of the "recreational" ones I would recommend the following for legalizing them:

                                Manufacturers and distributers have to be licensed. Product quality has to be equal to veterinary grade or better. We want to keep the price down for abusers. Sale of all these drugs can only be done by a licensed vendor to a licensed abuser. Anyone caught selling any of the drugs allowed under this program are subject to 10 + year jail terms depending on quantity. So, for the smallest quantities, like say a single use, you get 10 years or more. This encourages staying within the program.

                                For people wanting to use these drugs, they have to obtain an "Abuse license." The license is good for the drugs they want to abuse only. The cost of the license is minimal, and for the indigent could be free.
                                All information on the license is public record and available for anyone to access. It can be used to deny employment or terminate an employee for cause. That is, possession of such a license can be used to deny you a job or get you fired if you already have one.
                                Persons stopped by law enforcement who are on record as having an abuse license are subject to drug testing, etc., as it is presumed you are on the drug(s) listed on your license. That is it's prima facie evidence for a DUI / DWI, and the like.
                                It can also be used for health insurance premium costs, etc. That is, having such a license can jack up your rates.
                                Once you have your license, you can go to an authorized dealer and buy for cheap whatever drug you are allowed to abuse.
                                Getting caught using without a proper abuse license is a serious felony and you will do heavy time for even a first offense. But, being licensed, you can shoot up, smoke, or whatever your favorite drug to your heart's content.

                                This way its legal, but there's a heavy public stigma attached to use. Since the drugs are relatively cheap and easy to get there's not much of a black market for them either. This protects the pubic and its interests but allows individuals the freedom to use drugs that could pose a serious addiction problem, or other health issue to the individual.

                                So, you want to use cocaine? Great! Get your cocaine abuse license and be a cocaine abuser. The drug is fairly cheap so you can snort or shoot up all day long if you want. Just recognize, it might be difficult for you to get a job, you're likely to be a target for the police, and your neighbors can easily find out you're using...
                                "Buy for cheap? Have you seen what the rates are for legalized marijuana? Nothing "cheap" about it, and no reason to expect any other legalized drugs to be cheap, either.
                                Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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