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  • Want to legalize drugs?

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    The drug people want to legalize is marijuana, not meth.
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    • #3
      Yes, legalize all of it. Regulate it as everything else is. Lets focus on getting rid of the gangs and violence they inflict on society. There is always going to be a small percentage of people whom choose to use drugs but they use them now so whats the difference if its illegal? They are still using them.

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      • #4
        No government should have the authority to dictate what any competent adult puts into their body. Individual rights are the corner stone of our civilization. The government's authority only extends to protecting the public from actions of individuals not protecting individuals from themselves.

        The war on drugs is as tragic a failure as prohibition. It has created a corrupting prison industry, turned our cities into war zones, corrupted law enforcement, destabilized governments, wasted billions of dollars, and the drug use problem persists.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Mystikeye View Post
          Yes, legalize all of it. Regulate it as everything else is. Lets focus on getting rid of the gangs and violence they inflict on society. There is always going to be a small percentage of people whom choose to use drugs but they use them now so whats the difference if its illegal? They are still using them.
          Legalizing drugs creates sketchy communities. I've been to the Red Light District in Amsterdam, and it's a cesspool. Yeah it's cool when you're in college, but Americans have to plan this stuff out unless they want more of their cities to be unsafe for children.
          "It is a fine fox chase, my boys"

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          • #6
            There are some drugs that simply are too dangerous to make legal. For most of the "recreational" ones I would recommend the following for legalizing them:

            Manufacturers and distributers have to be licensed. Product quality has to be equal to veterinary grade or better. We want to keep the price down for abusers. Sale of all these drugs can only be done by a licensed vendor to a licensed abuser. Anyone caught selling any of the drugs allowed under this program are subject to 10 + year jail terms depending on quantity. So, for the smallest quantities, like say a single use, you get 10 years or more. This encourages staying within the program.

            For people wanting to use these drugs, they have to obtain an "Abuse license." The license is good for the drugs they want to abuse only. The cost of the license is minimal, and for the indigent could be free.
            All information on the license is public record and available for anyone to access. It can be used to deny employment or terminate an employee for cause. That is, possession of such a license can be used to deny you a job or get you fired if you already have one.
            Persons stopped by law enforcement who are on record as having an abuse license are subject to drug testing, etc., as it is presumed you are on the drug(s) listed on your license. That is it's prima facie evidence for a DUI / DWI, and the like.
            It can also be used for health insurance premium costs, etc. That is, having such a license can jack up your rates.
            Once you have your license, you can go to an authorized dealer and buy for cheap whatever drug you are allowed to abuse.
            Getting caught using without a proper abuse license is a serious felony and you will do heavy time for even a first offense. But, being licensed, you can shoot up, smoke, or whatever your favorite drug to your heart's content.

            This way its legal, but there's a heavy public stigma attached to use. Since the drugs are relatively cheap and easy to get there's not much of a black market for them either. This protects the pubic and its interests but allows individuals the freedom to use drugs that could pose a serious addiction problem, or other health issue to the individual.

            So, you want to use cocaine? Great! Get your cocaine abuse license and be a cocaine abuser. The drug is fairly cheap so you can snort or shoot up all day long if you want. Just recognize, it might be difficult for you to get a job, you're likely to be a target for the police, and your neighbors can easily find out you're using...

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            • #7
              Many of those so called "Dangerous" drugs are that way because the addict has no way knowing what the strength and purity of such drugs are. It was the same problem with prohibition when the Feds ordered the poisoning of industrial grade ethanol without telling anyone and thousands died as a result.

              With legalized drugs, those that one used to be able to buy at a drug store, they would be of a known strength and purity. That would make their use far safer then what is taking place on the streets now.

              Addicts could then use them in safety. Those that can't would eventually eliminate themselves from the gene pool as they are already doing now but at less cost to society.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by American87 View Post
                Legalizing drugs creates sketchy communities. I've been to the Red Light District in Amsterdam, and it's a cesspool. Yeah it's cool when you're in college, but Americans have to plan this stuff out unless they want more of their cities to be unsafe for children.
                Seems like your talking mostly from opinion, again. Facts say your living in the cesspool and not the Dutch.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                  Want to legalize drugs?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by American87 View Post
                    Legalizing drugs creates sketchy communities. I've been to the Red Light District in Amsterdam, and it's a cesspool. Yeah it's cool when you're in college, but Americans have to plan this stuff out unless they want more of their cities to be unsafe for children.
                    Witch red light district. All so the red light district are for prostitution not drugs. The coffee shops are not all ways located where you thing they are. Not to mention one Amsterdam is the least Dutch city, red light district are cesspool due to tourist and 3 most people smoke weed at home.


                    Lastly Amsterdam is far safe for kids than say Chicago or Detroit or major US cities. Murder, rape and kidnapping is low, public transport is safe and clean and other than scams and pickpockets nothing to worry about. No gang bangers packing tech nines.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by andrewza View Post
                      Witch red light district. All so the red light district are for prostitution not drugs. The coffee shops are not all ways located where you thing they are. Not to mention one Amsterdam is the least Dutch city, red light district are cesspool due to tourist and 3 most people smoke weed at home.


                      Lastly Amsterdam is far safe for kids than say Chicago or Detroit or major US cities. Murder, rape and kidnapping is low, public transport is safe and clean and other than scams and pickpockets nothing to worry about. No gang bangers packing tech nines.
                      You forgot to add in American 87's hometown Philadelphia 2nd to Chicago for violent crime.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                        You forgot to add in American 87's hometown Philadelphia 2nd to Chicago for violent crime.


                        I think if you compare the Netherlands or Amsterdam to any major US city for crime and crime against children you will find the US comes of behind.
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                        • #13
                          Er, ...

                          Originally posted by Poor Old Spike View Post
                          Let's do a swap, we'll have him in Britain if you keep our dickhead Piers Morgan in the USA..
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                            Seems like your talking mostly from opinion, again. Facts say your living in the cesspool and not the Dutch.

                            http://www.nationmaster.com/country-...d-States/Crime
                            You don't know what you're talking about. The RLD is full of people who are high, selling hard drugs, and prostitutes. The last thing American cities need are more neighborhoods where drugs run ramapant. But liberals will not share this opinion because it's "exclusive" and "racist"
                            "It is a fine fox chase, my boys"

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by andrewza View Post
                              Witch red light district. All so the red light district are for prostitution not drugs. The coffee shops are not all ways located where you thing they are. Not to mention one Amsterdam is the least Dutch city, red light district are cesspool due to tourist and 3 most people smoke weed at home.


                              Lastly Amsterdam is far safe for kids than say Chicago or Detroit or major US cities. Murder, rape and kidnapping is low, public transport is safe and clean and other than scams and pickpockets nothing to worry about. No gang bangers packing tech nines.
                              You didn't understand what I said. I said the RDL was a cesspool, not the entire city of Amsterdam. American cities are already full of crime, and the liberals in charge show no signs of fixing it. One of the last things American cities need is another neighborhood riddled with drugs.
                              "It is a fine fox chase, my boys"

                              "It is well that war is so terrible-we would grow too fond of it"

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