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  • #31
    Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
    Did you not read the part where Trump wants to change that? Read the quote CE posted again, you're an English teacher aren't you? Read better and come back when you understand what's being discussed.
    This is the quote from CE's Politico link that matters;

    " Under current law, largely determined at the state instead of federal level, public persons, such as politicians, can win a suit against a media organization only if the person can prove that the publication published information with actual malice, knowing it to be wholly incorrect, as well as in cases of reckless disregard. The case that set this precedent — New York Times Co. v. Sullivan — was decided by the Supreme Court in 1964. "

    I'll agree that Trump was being hyperbolic and "political" to inject terms "negative" and "horrible", but bottomline is that libel has clear legal definition and that is the "false" part of his statement; and before getting knickers in knot, try to separate grain from chaff in this issue.
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    • #32
      What Trump does or does not say is irrelevant to the issue of discussing censoring the internet, which is the topic here.

      Posters should keep in mind that "free speech" is censored right here on this forum.

      The internet is not America, and it's often not "free" but portions of it are owned variously by others, as this forum is itself the property of someone, and that throws "free speech" into another arena entirely

      Think of it this way: You are an American and you come to my home as an invited guest - do you have free speech"? The answer is NO - your speech is limited by the rules in my household, which supercede the Constitution since you are no longer in a public place.
      Last edited by Mountain Man; 19 Oct 17, 16:24.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
        What Trump does or does not say is irrelevant to the issue of discussing censoring the internet, which is the topic here.

        Posters should keep in mind that "free speech" is censored right here on this forum.

        The internet is not America, and it's often not "free" but portions of it are owned variously by others, as this forum is itself the property of someone, and that throws "free speech" into another arena entirely

        Think of it this way: You are an American and you come to my home as an invited guest - do you have free speech"? The answer is NO - your speech is limited by the rules in my household, which supercede the Constitution since you are no longer in a public place.
        The issue is the threat of individuals being sued for posting links to what had been arbitrarily defined as fake news or some political news that The Left wants to remain censored. That could also involve forum owners and moderators being sued for what some posters posted or linked as well. That would eventually turn the Internet into the propaganda outlet for the Left as already exist in many foreign countries with oppressive governments. Anything posted would have to go through an extensive analysis before it would be allowed to appear on any form, even Facebook, Twitter, and other social media.

        The forums themselves have always been regulated by the owners and their moderators as they see fit.
        “Breaking News,”

        “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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        • #34
          Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post
          http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/dr...rticle/2637886

          Enjoy your freedom to post comments - while you still have it.
          You are censored on the internet now-it's called 'moderators.'

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Massena View Post
            You are censored on the internet now-it's called 'moderators.'
            Moderators don't use legal action, such as a lawsuit, to bully posters of stuff they don't like being posted. Dictators use legal action, illegal action, and physical violence to shut down the opposition.
            “Breaking News,”

            “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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            • #36
              Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post
              Moderators don't use legal action, such as a lawsuit, to bully posters of stuff they don't like being posted. Dictators use legal action, illegal action, and physical violence to shut down the opposition.
              If you haven't checked lately, the US isn't a dictatorship. I have no doubt that Trump would like it to be so with him as dictator, but even with his high-handedness I don't believe that will happen.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Massena View Post
                If you haven't checked lately, the US isn't a dictatorship. I have no doubt that Trump would like it to be so with him as dictator, but even with his high-handedness I don't believe that will happen.
                Countries such as Cuba, China, North Korea, Venezuela, Many Middle Eastern, and Muslim dominated African countries are dictatorships that do restrict Internet usage to silence any opposing opinions, especially from outside the countries and regularly imprison those in the country that oppose them, or make them vanish.

                Keep in mind that it is Democrats that proposed and support the lawsuit over what they deemed fake and misleading news before you start blaming Trump for supporting this.
                “Breaking News,”

                “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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                • #38
                  Stromfront was apparently shut down for some time this past summer. Whats next is Jihadwatch.com going to get shut down?

                  Such shutdowns are not the right way. Even anti Jews and anti Muslims must according to the Bill of Rights, be able to provide their views. Historically speaking such views have always been countered by the True Americans rather then banned.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    Would you support censoring child pornography on the net? Because there are those who will claim that falls under "free speech".

                    Nothing in life is "free".
                    Child pornography though is a crime. And anyone involved in the child porn industry should be arrested for abuse of children. OTOH adults providing anti immigration views, anti religious or even anti racial views is a part of freedom of speech.
                    Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                    Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                      Easy, from his own mouth:

                      http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-med...el-laws-219866



                      You were saying?
                      Libel is not protected under Free Speech. It's considered defamation, which is part of series of speech types that are considered illegal: others include fighting words, causing panic, sedition, and inciting crime.

                      But I could see how the MSM would be apprehensive of being sued for libel.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post
                        http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/dr...rticle/2637886

                        Enjoy your freedom to post comments - while you still have it.
                        This isn't surprising. Democrats have been trying to shut down Drudge Report for a while now. Either you tow the party line or they'll take away your right to free speech. I mean, they can't take that away, it's an inalienable right. But it's the Left.
                        "It is a fine fox chase, my boys"

                        "It is well that war is so terrible-we would grow too fond of it"

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by American87 View Post
                          This isn't surprising. Democrats have been trying to shut down Drudge Report for a while now. Either you tow the party line or they'll take away your right to free speech. I mean, they can't take that away, it's an inalienable right. But it's the Left.
                          Which News outlet did your Trump threaten recently? and he is not from the left ___________
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by American87 View Post
                            This isn't surprising. Democrats have been trying to shut down Drudge Report for a while now. Either you tow the party line or they'll take away your right to free speech. I mean, they can't take that away, it's an inalienable right. But it's the Left.
                            Last year, they said publicly that they would destroy Breitbart : the First Amendment applies only for the Left .

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